Thread: 7.0 Tank Wishlist

Originally Posted by rawker

PLD lost Rampart and it became a Role action.. Plus Convalescence and baked it into WAR. So I dunno.

Good point really, considering PLD was the "og" mitigation tank, Obviously other tanks should had mitigation, but PLD was originally designed as the strongest mitigation tank for a while... at least non magic which granted isn't a good identity.

I feel like the core of the issue isn't just "warrior" but it's the fact every tank has been made similar, even if that's a fault of warrior or not, it needs changing for the better, or at least give tanks unique rotations that aren't all very simple 1, 2, 3 "spam X button"

I don't really want to blame any tank here, I certainly have issues with Warriors design, but I think all tanks could benefit from playing different and mitigating in different ways.

Originally Posted by Oizen

Despite WAR's tendancy to cannibalize other tank's traits and abilities it really hasn't mechanically changed at all since Stormblood, and arguably only gets easier every patch.

It doesn't just get easier every expansion it also gets blander.

Even after the big "dumbing down" that was the 4.2 rework WAR still had things to manage outside of just hitting the hurr durr Fell Cleave button. Carefully choosing when to spend gauge to maximize your crit bonus, manipulating your GCD with Onslaught (which was roughly the same potency per gauge as Fell Cleave), working around your 1 stack Infuriate and IR's cooldown reduction of it, keeping your 30 second Eye of the Storm buff up which you couldn't refresh during the 10 second IR window.
Technically all small annoyances that did however add some depth to the job nonetheless, all removed in the name of convenience.

Originally Posted by Rithy255

Good point really, considering PLD was the "og" mitigation tank, Obviously other tanks should had mitigation, but PLD was originally designed as the strongest mitigation tank for a while... at least non magic which granted isn't a good identity.

Even in Stormblood when it was able to block magic it was technically still the strongest mitigation tank. 40% DR on Sentinel, 20% DR on Cover, uncapped block strength and rate leading to potentially 30-something % DR on blocked attacks and of course Hallowed Ground. The downside was that they all came with long cooldowns but I remember that while I was sweating in O10S on Warrior it felt like Midgardsormr was basically tickling me on Paladin, just Cover and Shelltron made a joke out of his buster.

I'd like if each tank (aside from GNB, can't comment as I don't touch it) had more interesting gimmicks and mechanics attached to their core job mechanic, which in this case I suppose would be the gauges and spenders. Not random one-off, uninteresting gimmicks or mechanics either, but things woven into their overall kit. At this point, across all jobs, I'm pretty sick of the abundance of "press for effect" abilities; cooldowns you press that do one single uninteresting thing that has zero interaction with anything else at your disposal outside of it's initial effect. Press this, get 10% damage reduction. Press this, get gauge equaling one spender. Press this, 60s cd, flat potency attack. Etc.. Kind of sick of that. I just think it's so boring.

I get that power creep is a very real issue when it comes to just stacking effects, but I'm not asking for more effects on more abilities. I want fun job mechanics again, things that thematically fit each tanks identity and set them apart from one another mechanically. Obviously there's going to be some differing views on what constitutes job identity at this point, but I just wish the team would get creative with it. I guess this might have been the case in the past, I'm not sure. I didn't really swap around much in HW, and only started to branch out near the end of SB.

I know there's this whole thing against raising the skill floor, but interesting mechanics can still be added to each job without doing that. I know I'm not being very specific with what I want here, and that's because I know what constitutes interesting job mechanics or depth tends to be subjective, but it's just frustrating to not see much of anything unique dividing jobs outside of APM differences.

Originally Posted by Metricasc

- give a trait that makes PLD's magic GCD scale from skill Speed rather than Spell Speed, this allows PLD to run on a more flexable skill speed.

No , they need to merge skillspeed and spellspeed into one single stat, Haste. (Which already exists in the game)

Originally Posted by Arohk

No , they need to merge skillspeed and spellspeed into one single stat, Haste. (Which already exists in the game)

this would work too, given how few classes work with both

Originally Posted by Colt47

Also, how the flying hells am I supposed to use defense cooldowns with salted earth and Shadowbringer taking up 4 OGCD charges, plus having carve and split? I feel like I hit a burst phase and now I'm stuck deciding "am I going to do the damage I'm expecting and make the healer cry, or am I going to use defense cooldowns?" :P

rookie mistake to use mitigation only when the boss is already casting a tankbuster,

I wouldn't be against merging Dark Mind and Oblation, but just merging them would be a net nerf to DRK's mitigation unless other things are done.

I honestly think almost all of DRK's mit problems could be solved if TBN guaranteed the Dark Arts stack when it expired. Right now it feels as frail as it does because TBN isn't spammable like HoC/HS/BW, combined with the no sustain, combined with Dark Mind and Missionary only being magic. Not saying all of these need to be solved, but some of them definitely should be.