Thread: 7.0 Tank Wishlist

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

But you’ve suggested something that fills a niche that doesn’t exist, DRK’s party utility is totally fine, DRK and GNB have the advantage of it being mitigation so it affects things like bleeds, but the disadvantage it only works on medical damage, PLD and WAR have the advantage shields affect everything and don’t have diminishing returns; but the disadvantage they don’t provide mitigation for things like bleeds

So you are just straight up suggesting a buff to DRK’s healing for a niche that doesn’t need to be filled, party mitigation is already balanced (regen on SIO non withstanding but the mitigation on HOL/DM is worth more against a bleed anyway

Well first off just saying SIO doesn't count is stupid. We can't just ignore that, and that buff came in a tier with a particularly punishing physical mechanic that greatly favored PLD and WAR in P10S.
And its not like PLD doesn't have some additional form of party support, it has two forms raidwide mitigation so its really getting the best of both worlds here.

The way I see it right now we have two tanks with superior party utility at no cost, and two tanks who just don't. We've equalized damage to the point where I view this as a balancing problem in itself.
So yes, I'm going to say Dark Knight and Gunbreaker need more. Or they need a real advantage of their own in some form, something that was deliberately removed from the game for the sake of balance.

Heart of Light and Dark Missonary being the exact same skill is also incredibly stupid, but thats another issue entirely.

Originally Posted by Oizen

Well first off just saying SIO doesn't count is stupid. We can't just ignore that, and that buff came in a tier with a particularly punishing physical mechanic that greatly favored PLD and WAR in P10S.
And its not like PLD doesn't have some additional form of party support, it has two forms raidwide mitigation so its really getting the best of both worlds here.

The way I see it right now we have two tanks with superior party utility at no cost, and two tanks who just don't. We've equalized damage to the point where I view this as a balancing problem in itself.
So yes, I'm going to say Dark Knight and Gunbreaker need more. Or they need a real advantage of their own in some form, something that was deliberately removed from the game for the sake of balance.

Heart of Light and Dark Missonary being the exact same skill is also incredibly stupid, but thats another issue entirely.

I didn’t say SIO didn’t count I said the regen on it is worth less than pure mitigation from HOL/DM because shields don’t help against lingering effects unless they cancel the effect entirely (and even that has mostly been removed now so WHM doesn’t suffer), POA has to be channeled and you have to be between the party and the attack so that has its own downsides

Still what’s the problem with slight imbalance in the actual kits of the tanks, do you really just want 1 tank that does the best of everything the 4 tanks do, your logic basically circles around and around, “oh we need to give DRK and GNB better AOE mitigation but then that means that PLD falls behind in reactive healing mitigation so we need to give them heart of corrundum, but that puts WAR behind in damage from a distance so better give them a magical phase”, it just circles round and round till you have 1 tank with the best advantages of every current tank

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Once again can we please not get “utility” on the tanks that basically amounts to more healing

Healing on tanks isn't the issue its the fact fights aren't designed around the extra healing tanks bring.

Healing on Healers will always be more reliable and consistent Due to the sheer amount of buttons they get, but the issue is a lot of those healing buttons aren't really needed, especially your gcd heals and decision making.

I'd like to see each tank's on-demand shield ability get more layers to them to set them more apart from each other and give them each more of their own flavor.

Like PLD's Sheltron/Holy Sheltron/Intervention getting a sort of branching path in it's use. After using it and getting it's base effects, depending on the context and situation (i.e.: taking an amount of damage, or using another specific skill), it could either strengthened into a stronger shield, or be consumed completely to provide a damage resource. No, not like TBN, before you even say it. It would be a trade-off. You could choose to buff the base effects, or eat the base effects entirely to gain more damage potential, but you can't do both with one shield. It's even thematic for the job. When sheltron is up, it shows as a shield on the oath gauge. When it's buffed, it shines. When you "break" it, it turns into multiple broken shield pieces that get consumed on other damage abilities.

Yeah, this is a bit similar to what we already have in Divine Might and Requiescat stacks, but I'd prefer if future job additions are built off a job's core mechanics, and the oath gauge currently feels woefully underutilized.

They really need to make it so I'm not so uh... "vulnerable" to healers who won't stop healing like mad with living dead up. Usually an issue with healers that can't keep up very well. I've seen the last second benediction WHM who heals me out of living dead despite not being able to keep up healing when it expires. Now I've seen the physick/adlo scholar who lets me die 2 seconds after it expires.

Just let my living dead pop and it'd compensate for these healers . I've tried to communicate with them too but some people just don't listen. I mean it's better than it used to be but it still has issues being used with people who won't let it pop.

I have another wish for PLD...

I know it's too much for me to ask this but since AST cards, when drawn, no longer expires... can we please do it to Sword Oath/Divine Might/Requiescat/Confiteor Ready too? I mean, the job has a lot of conditional statuses to juggle. Might at least give it a nudge to make things a lot more smoother and comfy?

Originally Posted by rawker

I have another wish for PLD...

I know it's too much for me to ask this but since AST cards, when drawn, no longer expires... can we please do it to Sword Oath/Divine Might/Requiescat/Confiteor Ready too? I mean, the job has a lot of conditional statuses to juggle. Might at least give it a nudge to make things a lot more smoother and comfy?

I mean if you can not manage your conditional buffs then put more time into practicing or put the conditional buffs tab else where to make it easier for you to track. We don't need anymore coddling on jobs as they are, currently.