This is the biggest reason why Tanks and Healers are designed to be braindead easy.

[ty_taurus]

I know it's not an answer that people may like, but to a serious question, that's the serious answer.

But aren’t those explanations highly subjective? Do we have any data to support that one makes players more uncomfortable than the other? And if the point is to say it’s not okay to make players uncomfortable at all, then shouldn’t we approach the topic with a no tolerance policy? Not using AoEs can cause other players to unintentionally take aggro, particularly the healer who will generate aggro from all enemies by healing.

Whether or not behavior is seen as toxic should be based on intent. Is someone who pulls adds as a DPS intentionally trying to antagonize the other players, or are they just trying to help? How can you know for certain at any given moment? You can’t, so should we always assume the worst intentions or the best intentions? In either case, if the consensus is to treat misplay as worth addressing, then it should be done equally.

[Calysto]

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At the risk of derailing - and just for the double standard - what about the healer then ?
A tank that only pull "what they are comfortable with" (or wall to wall for that matter) may actively harm their experience.
By that logic it should be fine for a healer to pull or use rescue on the tank either to the next pack or away from it.
If the tank is already using AoE, one or two packs make little difference, as long as the healer is comfortable with the healing required they should dictate the pace, not the tank, right ?

[KenZentra]

At the risk of derailing - and just for the double standard - what about the healer then ?
A tank that only pull "what they are comfortable with" (or wall to wall for that matter) may actively harm their experience.
By that logic it should be fine for a healer to pull or use rescue on the tank either to the next pack or away from it.
If the tank is already using AoE, one or two packs make little difference, as long as the healer is comfortable with the healing required they should dictate the pace, not the tank, right ?

If a tank isn't comfortable double pulling, no one should be forcing that on them.
If a healer isn't comfortable with the tank double pulling/healing a double pull, no one should be forcing that on them.

Doing otherwise is toxic.

[Saraide]

If a tank isn't comfortable double pulling, no one should be forcing that on them.
If a healer isn't comfortable with the tank double pulling/healing a double pull, no one should be forcing that on them.

Doing otherwise is toxic.

A tank single pulling has legit no reason to exist in a complete light party. You dont need a tank at all then and a dps instead would genuinely be better for the group.

[Musashidon]

A tank single pulling has legit no reason to exist in a complete light party. You dont need a tank at all then and a dps instead would genuinely be better for the group.

this is the reason they keep adding walls inbetween pulls keep it up and they will force single pulls everytime. goodluck though.

[Saraide]

this is the reason they keep adding walls inbetween pulls keep it up and they will force single pulls everytime. goodluck though.

They're not forcing single pulls though. Almost all pulls in newer dungeons are in groups of 2. And it's just the truth. You can clear any single pull with any combo of 3 people.

[Musashidon]

They're not forcing single pulls though. Almost all pulls in newer dungeons are in groups of 2. And it's just the truth. You can clear any single pull with any combo of 3 people.

i didn't say it wasnt but if you force players to play that way SE will change it like they have been.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

i didn't say it wasnt but if you force players to play that way SE will change it like they have been.

They may as well just delete every account made prior to Endwalker at that point.

[TaleraRistain]

I think that's also where the "stop running" comment came from, that either the SMN was running ahead of the group or the SMN was getting agro then running all over the place, preventing the Tank from pulling off of them.

I saw this whole thing on Twitter. The SAM explained the stop running comment was because Mane grabbed a boss and was running it around and died because of it.

The tank does need to AoE but even when Mane first posted the conversation on his Twitter account and there wasn't the SAM's response, I felt like it seemed he was being kind of a jerk dps in the run, too.

[TaleraRistain]

If a tank isn't comfortable double pulling, no one should be forcing that on them.
If a healer isn't comfortable with the tank double pulling/healing a double pull, no one should be forcing that on them.

Doing otherwise is toxic.

It all goes back to understanding your party and being a responsible member of it. I got a healer the other night in Mt Gulg where we tried the big pulls but it just wasn't happening. I can tank them just fine with other healers. But they were struggling, I saw this, and I dialed it back. We got through just fine. If a tank pulls small when I'm healing, I'll let them know I have their back if they want to try larger, but I'm cool with adjusting for small as well. It costs us nothing to be a little kind and adjust if needed to what our party can handle.