This is the biggest reason why Tanks and Healers are designed to be braindead easy.

[Edelgarde]

Because we're all bored at this point, and Tekken 8 and Dragon's Dogma 2 doesn't come out until next year, we can indulge in talking about more big drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eYollR-uMw&t=0s

Pretty entertaining video. But you don't need to watch it. This is just one of those many scenarios where a tank is doing one of the endgame dungeons from Endwalker and doesn't understand how enmity works.

The tank causes the SMN to die during trash mobs due to them not using AOE on mobs. SMN simply asked for the tank to use AOE, immediately gets gaslighted by the obnoxious white knight SAM who is claiming the SMN is being toxic and pulled ahead (which they didn't pull ahead, and there is proof on fflogs). Just another typical classic moment where the ***hole is trying to look like the good guy by protecting the bad player who is griefing the entire party by choosing to be tank and not holding enmity on mobs.

There's been a lot of talk about healer rotations needing to be more interesting and tanks just being all the same and straight forward. I'd say just keep it that way. Just save us all the drama. Tanks and healers are so easy, and it's just embarrassing when players can't even do the bare minimal. It just take one button to take all aggro. Just turn on your tank stance, hit one of your AOE buttons, and now you got the entire mob attacking you as a tank.

Given the fact that there are still players griefing people in endgame content as either a healer or a tank, I'd say keep the same. If they're any more complex, more people are just gonna be falsely reported after trying to get the tanks and healers to play properly in endgame content.

I don't understand this ideology of a certain group of FFXIV players that think that immediately white knighting a player and gaslighting the player who is trying to give simple advice, makes them immediately a morally superior person by encouraging bad players to continue griefing other players in endgame content. But because GM's don't understand what is actually 'harassment', it's the reason why a huge majority try to keep their mouth shut and even would much rather leave the dungeon, take the 30 minute penalty, and just go for another expert roulette dungeon run.

So keep tanks and healers braindead. Apparently, it's too hard to hit one or two buttons ONCE every trash mob.

[Doozer]

Yeah, people are griefing and rude because of job kits and not because they were never told that they should respect others, even strangers. Good thread.

[fulminating]

No matter how hard they simplify things there's always always going to be a more common denominator. At some point they have to put their foot down.

Should I bring up the completely feckless dps I've encountered in df where the tank and I were outperforming them on all metrics, or where it's literally been me and people who couldn't even live through a raidwide with shake and nascent. Why not just have the game play itself and we can all afk in limsa while our retainers bring back malicious manderville mementorites or whatever the current must-have item is?

[Sebazy]

Wait... the tanks first name was Ren?!

Is this the ultimate plot twist before us?

Edit, it gets worse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byoXZZb3QhY

Also, Mane posted logs to confirm that he wasn't actually pulling ahead =(

[Zeastria]

Tanking/Healing = Easy - isnt true for everyone!
A new player wouldnt find it it all that easy.
They are still LEARNING the game, their role and mechanics on top of that.
(Tanking/Healing becomes easy overtime with expereince)
- Boosting is a thing, so you can experience such players at high lvl content too!

Note: I'm talking not about this specific instance..
because i feel there is to little information to go about..
I'm talking about new/unexpereinced players.
Note: You also have trolls - who intentionally plays bad to troll.

[Pip_Chick]

It happened to me once in a dungeon. Tank used single target only and I as the SMN got the agro and then killed, this happened 3 times. After the third death, I revived at the beginning of the dungeon then quit. I took the 30-minute penalty and went to make some coffee and toast.
I do not have the patience for griefers. The tooltips are there, you can read them + the Hall of the Novice has 2 lessons/dungeons/whatever on this exact subject.

[ThaCa]

With the current design they should just make Tanks and Healers into DPS with few extra buttons related to their role, that's how they are played at high level anyway so might as well gut the overbloated kits in order to make them more fun to play (like most DPS).

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

It would help if we didn't coddle up our newbies too much. AOE is basics since Hall of Novice training (which apparently isn't mandatory).

It is 100% okay to expect Hall of Novice basics in a Lv90 dungeon and anyone endorsing or enabling the lack of pressing a 2-step-AOE combo for enmity needs to reevaluate how healthy it is to be OK with the lackthereof.

Don't settle for players doing below bare minimum.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Tanking can be easy, depending on the class... Most specifically, WAR's self-heal shenanigans...

But getting a tank to 90, even if they bought the level boost, it only takes you to 80 so they likely HAD to tank some dungeons, so they should know at least the basics. But sadly griefing like that doesn't violate the rules.

[Allegor]

The way the other guy is so defensive about it is a dead giveaway they're both grifing/trolling. There's litrally no way for a 'newbie' to be that high level, even with a lv boost.