Disruptive Frontline Gameplay

[IDontPetLalas]

Well, you know, I can imagine there are a few people who've already had something along the lines of the "fun afk, I am here just for exp, chill bro" comeback. At that point, my thought process goes something along the lines (very quickly) of should I bother to (?) and computes to - "no, probably not worth the effort for this case".

Now, I will say that I did have 2 positive cases when someone was AFK and didn't move. One was where someone was re-arranging their hotbars and really did move after a nudge along the lines in party chat of "hey bro, are you OK?" - since you never know, someone can be new, sick etc. All was good after that. Second was when someone was trying to hide out and AFK , I noticed it, and rode by. After a few bounces near them they decided that maybe it wasn't such a great spot (lmao).

Finally, I understand how you feel about reporting, I know they're rather painful and my feeling is that the poor slob who has to review them is overloaded, but I do feel that that they have their place, so their are times that they should be used. Same with the rewards, those changes wouldn't bother me.

[Astrahime]

Maybe there needs to be done a change to the XP reward for frontline, so there will be a higher daily reward for winning. While it being reduced compared to the current rate, for 2nd and 3rd place.

Change the tome rewards, as well. You get full tomes for just participating, decrease the rewards for winning just like with Irregular Tomestones.

[AriannaStormwake]

certainly felt good in hakair and new shatter yesterday to face the same tryhard premaders bullying pugs and getting easy battle highs with the fancy war drk gnb ast drg stunlocks and limit break stacks
good for them that is
let me see their QQ posts when their queue sync premade ability is suddenly disabled and thus their ability to get free wins for no effort?
there is no fair play in facing those teams just a easy victory for them and i doubt its for the mounts while using a garo title

[Toutatis]

certainly felt good in hakair and new shatter yesterday to face the same tryhard premaders bullying pugs and getting easy battle highs with the fancy war drk gnb ast drg stunlocks and limit break stacks
good for them that is
let me see their QQ posts when their queue sync premade ability is suddenly disabled and thus their ability to get free wins for no effort?
there is no fair play in facing those teams just a easy victory for them and i doubt its for the mounts while using a garo title

Some do it for fun and there’s some achievement hunters too for the 1k victories for each GC achievements. Seen 20 wins in a row with no losses. Not always synched queues. It works with a strong core group with the proper roles and a time/server/map where there will likely be less competition.

I never understood the concept of BH in frontlines: the strongest team gets to become even stronger.

[Mayhemmer]

I never understood the concept of BH in frontlines: the strongest team gets to become even stronger.

Just another thing in the long list of things to further instill that "Why bother trying" mentality in players.

[IDontPetLalas]

Just another thing in the long list of things to further instill that "Why bother trying" mentality in players.

While I don't disagree that BH isn't the best system, while the system is in place, you could actually try to get BH (or at least try to avoid losing it).

On the hand of course "why bother trying" takes no effort at all....

[Mayhemmer]

While I don't disagree that BH isn't the best system, while the system is in place, you could actually try to get BH (or at least try to avoid losing it).

On the hand of course "why bother trying" takes no effort at all....

Really, if you dig into it, there's a lot about Frontlines' overall design that does what I can only describe is being 'intentionally discouraging.' Obviously, that's not the intended effect, and some of those design choices are (hopefully) made in unavoidable compromise to make things work with the whole 3-team thing. I've already pointlessly yelled at the sky about this plenty of times, so I'm pretty jaded about it at this point. Either they'll remove BH and the third team and adjust accordingly in 7.X and I'll maybe enjoy it, or they won't do any of that and nothing will have changed and oh well.

[Aravell]

I'm more of the mind that BH isn't a bad system, it's merely outdated.

If they changed BH to remove the healing boost (so BH5 players heal 15000 through Recuperate like everyone else instead of 22500) and add a 8% damage taken increase per stack of BH (for a 40% damage taken increase at BH5), that would probably make BH less of an issue to deal with in the current form of PvP. If that's still too strong, maybe they lose all BH points when they die instead of just 50%.

[Mawlzy]

While I don't disagree that BH isn't the best system, while the system is in place, you could actually try to get BH (or at least try to avoid losing it).

On the hand of course "why bother trying" takes no effort at all....

Good point, and a strong reason for keeping it. When you're being led by the nose by Olivia's premade as they each rack up ~ 80 assists, you have very little else to do that suggests agency.

[IDontPetLalas]

Really, if you dig into it, there's a lot about Frontlines' overall design that does what I can only describe is being 'intentionally discouraging.' Obviously, that's not the intended effect, and some of those design choices are (hopefully) made in unavoidable compromise to make things work with the whole 3-team thing. I've already pointlessly yelled at the sky about this plenty of times, so I'm pretty jaded about it at this point. Either they'll remove BH and the third team and adjust accordingly in 7.X and I'll maybe enjoy it, or they won't do any of that and nothing will have changed and oh well.

Well, I happen to like 3 teams as a choice for PvP, so I wouldn't want that to disappear, especially as we do have other modes at various scales that have 2 -way teams. What you express as "intentionally discouraging" , is depending upon what we are talking about - I would rephrase as a poor user experience. You used BH as an example.

That being said, for FL specifically I really would advocate for the PvP team to try to apply more job changes that would make sense for FL rather than CC, whether that's to reduce skills AOE effects (for example), or DR, etc. Regarding BH, I imagine that Square is open to making changes to that, I doubt it would be completely removed. The issue there is how long it takes for their team to make changes.