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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    If you can't understand from looking at the above, then you're just willfully ignorant. You seem content to spout nonsense despite people with actual evidence saying things to the contrary.
    Have you looked in a mirror recently? Because frankly such a description suits you. After all your the one who barges in and goes on just as long of a tirade about me pointing out the qualities of scholar.

    Meanwhile you give me the lamest whataboutisms that are absolutes like:
    "what if all 24 players are barreling down at you at once" Even though that is a situation no job can even handle, even dark knight will die unless they can run back into their own deathball to potion up.

    or

    "but your debuffs/buffs don't apply to the other sixteen of your party" while also ignoring that all the buffs your trying to do for a zergrush deathball precisely apply to your own argument as well.

    It makes this whole conversation feel like I am talking to a brick wall who only knows how to argue in absolutes. Where there is no possible way you would ever get a team with players who wander off on their own, or divert from the plan, where no mistakes are made on your part.

    After all if you truly believed what you claimed, that you don't need dark knight's root to do your piledriver moment, nothing is preventing you from using warrior or paladin or gunbreaker for your zerg deathball.

    But as we all know that isn't true about Dark Knight. That it is in fact necessary for your strategy. If it weren't, you wouldn't be looking to the JP playerbase for your stratagems who invented this playstyle in the first place. Who were using dark knights for precisely the purpose of pull+root.
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    You're talking to the brick wall? You started saying a bunch of numbers that made no sense about dotting dragoons. I proved you wrong and it mysteriously vanished from your argument without any acknowledgement.

    24 people barreling on you is what a burst is. Do you not understand that? My advice was to scatter "which I said scholar could help do, and I said they may be able to help tankier jobs survive. Later in our argument I listed several jobs that could stop entire burst from happening in the first place.

    My argument about astro was that its lb affected only the party like scholar, but to a much greater extent, and that it also affected enemies, also to a much greater extent than scholar. You know I'll throw in that it does far more healing and does far more relevant damage than scholar as well. I don't even care about holding this position because what I took issue with is that scholar doesn't help stop an enemy burst from happening. As you say, no job can survive it, so it's a far superior option to stop attacks from happening in the first place. I listed several jobs later in the argument that could do so.

    I said the bind dark had was nice, but it's biggest asset is the vaccum effect. Once you're sucked in it doesn't matter if you get bound or not because you're going to be charmed, feared, or sucked by another dark shortly after. Seraph doesn't prevent any of these things from happening.

    I don't see how conceding points, making concessions, and giving superior options is arguing in absolutes... This tirade you speak of was 2 paragraphs. The first being that scholar fully mitting might save the tankier jobs and that better advice would be to spread out and not get hit by the attack. The second was saying that your assumption about hitting dragoons was incorrect. You were the one who decided to write several paragraphs first. Is it annoying that I replied to it or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    -snip-
    Cool story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Cool story.




    Is this suppose to be evidence or something? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with it. It looks like you tagged 42 people and got 2 lucky kills from ticks. For less damage, a summoner scored 19 more kills than you with the same assist. I did less damage and got more kills and assist than you... We both also got significantly more ice damage than you did...

    The 2nd game shows that a scholar can deal 3 times the damage I do, yet barely reached BH2. This is what I mean when I say most of scholar damage isn't really doing anything. It's often refereed to as padding... The damage reduction and the mitigation didn't seem to hamper our ability to fight either.

    The final game shows the performance of several jobs that are built around burst. It should be obvious that the damage they deal is far more impactful than what a scholar does. Everyone has significantly more kills than you and double the assist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Cool story.
    About the damage you'd expect from someone spreading the dot off melees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Is this suppose to be evidence or something? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with it.
    Of dotting and running, healing and shielding.

    Also updated signature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathleen_ View Post
    About the damage you'd expect from someone spreading the dot off melees.
    You wish that were the case. I do dot plenty. of ranged and healers and casters.
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