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  1. #1
    Player
    Hik3n's Avatar
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    Esdeath Hankokku
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    Phoenix
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    Bard Lv 90
    Not even surprised , at this point people who cared to do PVP, gave up on it, and those who did just go in for the XP and don't care anymore, with every update and change they make things are worse and worse... Shatter update is bad, they removed maps for no reason, fixed maps that had no major problems and made it worse, they balance the game for Crystal Conflict, do a bad job at it, and this makes Frontline an unplayable mess. I don't even know why people still defend this, if they don't start to balance the 2 mods separately, there won't be even a minute when PVP is good, the problem comes from everywhere, how jobs work, the massive amount of HP and defense mele and tanks have, Elixirs and Guard makes the entire PVP experience bad, how the maps are designed, and so far all of Frontline maps are unfair to the unlucky team, they don't think about more than 5people when they change anything with a job. The only reason groups can destroy everyone if they make a party is because the entire thing is a mess. I don't see how PVP can be fun when some jobs can push you to 0 HP from 100 in seconds... meanwhile other jobs are so weak, tanks and meles literary just go the other way when they saw them , and don't even care if you hit them... So i'm not surprised people just don't do anything, there is no point.
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    "So i'm not surprised people just don't do anything, there is no point."

    No one *has* to click on the FL queue button. It's not mandatory. But once they do- they have agreed to participate. If they no longer feel that it's worth their time, which is always their right, then they should leave if its's still within the replacement time- or suck it up for the few minutes that it lasts, and , the "don't do anything" option? OK, time to use the 's" word finally- yes "selfish". That's selfish, don't treat the other people who queued like NPCs. Just do your best for the few minutes that it lasts.
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    Commander_Justitia's Avatar
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    Ash Primordial
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    Just do your best for the few minutes that it lasts.
    I upvoted your comment, though, what are you gonna do if they don't? Are you really taking your time of your day to file a report because of griefing PvP frontline, full knowing a GM probably wont do anything about it unless there is chat proof, where the player admits it.

    Some player enjoy standing at a node for its full duration even if all the fighting happens on the the other sight of the map, even if everyone leads the team elsewhere, even if they don't move they will 100% lose the game in the next minute. They will guard it and will have sub 0-50k damage in 15min. If you wonder what they are doing, you will get called out for killing their "fun afk, I am here just for exp, chill bro" - vibe, and if you are really lucky the guy and his 3 friends will kick you right before the frontline matches ends.

    Maybe there needs to be done a change to the XP reward for frontline, so there will be a higher daily reward for winning. While it being reduced compared to the current rate, for 2nd and 3rd place.
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    Player Astrahime's Avatar
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    Eirika Zenbi-ryoshi
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    Phantom
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Maybe there needs to be done a change to the XP reward for frontline, so there will be a higher daily reward for winning. While it being reduced compared to the current rate, for 2nd and 3rd place.
    Change the tome rewards, as well. You get full tomes for just participating, decrease the rewards for winning just like with Irregular Tomestones.
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Well, you know, I can imagine there are a few people who've already had something along the lines of the "fun afk, I am here just for exp, chill bro" comeback. At that point, my thought process goes something along the lines (very quickly) of should I bother to (?) and computes to - "no, probably not worth the effort for this case".

    Now, I will say that I did have 2 positive cases when someone was AFK and didn't move. One was where someone was re-arranging their hotbars and really did move after a nudge along the lines in party chat of "hey bro, are you OK?" - since you never know, someone can be new, sick etc. All was good after that. Second was when someone was trying to hide out and AFK , I noticed it, and rode by. After a few bounces near them they decided that maybe it wasn't such a great spot (lmao).

    Finally, I understand how you feel about reporting, I know they're rather painful and my feeling is that the poor slob who has to review them is overloaded, but I do feel that that they have their place, so their are times that they should be used. Same with the rewards, those changes wouldn't bother me.
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    AriannaStormwake's Avatar
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    A'rianna Storm
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    Zodiark
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    Summoner Lv 100
    certainly felt good in hakair and new shatter yesterday to face the same tryhard premaders bullying pugs and getting easy battle highs with the fancy war drk gnb ast drg stunlocks and limit break stacks
    good for them that is
    let me see their QQ posts when their queue sync premade ability is suddenly disabled and thus their ability to get free wins for no effort?
    there is no fair play in facing those teams just a easy victory for them and i doubt its for the mounts while using a garo title
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    Last edited by AriannaStormwake; 01-20-2024 at 01:59 AM.

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    Toutatis's Avatar
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    Marshmallow Puff
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    Excalibur
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    Warrior Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by AriannaStormwake View Post
    certainly felt good in hakair and new shatter yesterday to face the same tryhard premaders bullying pugs and getting easy battle highs with the fancy war drk gnb ast drg stunlocks and limit break stacks
    good for them that is
    let me see their QQ posts when their queue sync premade ability is suddenly disabled and thus their ability to get free wins for no effort?
    there is no fair play in facing those teams just a easy victory for them and i doubt its for the mounts while using a garo title
    Some do it for fun and there’s some achievement hunters too for the 1k victories for each GC achievements. Seen 20 wins in a row with no losses. Not always synched queues. It works with a strong core group with the proper roles and a time/server/map where there will likely be less competition.

    I never understood the concept of BH in frontlines: the strongest team gets to become even stronger.
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    Last edited by Toutatis; 01-20-2024 at 10:04 AM.

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    Mayhemmer's Avatar
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    Tanu Ki
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    Faerie
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    I never understood the concept of BH in frontlines: the strongest team gets to become even stronger.
    Just another thing in the long list of things to further instill that "Why bother trying" mentality in players.
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhemmer View Post
    Just another thing in the long list of things to further instill that "Why bother trying" mentality in players.
    While I don't disagree that BH isn't the best system, while the system is in place, you could actually try to get BH (or at least try to avoid losing it).

    On the hand of course "why bother trying" takes no effort at all....
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    Tanu Ki
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    While I don't disagree that BH isn't the best system, while the system is in place, you could actually try to get BH (or at least try to avoid losing it).

    On the hand of course "why bother trying" takes no effort at all....
    Really, if you dig into it, there's a lot about Frontlines' overall design that does what I can only describe is being 'intentionally discouraging.' Obviously, that's not the intended effect, and some of those design choices are (hopefully) made in unavoidable compromise to make things work with the whole 3-team thing. I've already pointlessly yelled at the sky about this plenty of times, so I'm pretty jaded about it at this point. Either they'll remove BH and the third team and adjust accordingly in 7.X and I'll maybe enjoy it, or they won't do any of that and nothing will have changed and oh well.
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