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  1. #11
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Gridania and Ul'dah (because Ishgard not allowed to be starting city-state :c)
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LynxDubh View Post
    Does anyone have anything they wanna see for Dancer in Dawntrail? Either new skills or tuning of the current kits?

    For my list of major wants:
    -Have both Fountain and Bladeshower combo off of either Cascade or Windmill. They changed the procs for EW to let the single target and aoe flow better. This is the logical next step.
    -Make Standard Step's cooldown affected by skill speed like Gunbreaker's Sonic Break. This would help combat a bit of drifting and let you fix minor timing and ping nonsense.
    -More utility buttons. The rotation of Dancer is mostly fine and cool utility is what I'd want over too many finishers.
    Some actually good major wants, though I'm still not a fan of how they handled the RNG as it gives off 3.x Machinist vibes with the changes to procs in Endwalker

    These are my major wants for Dancer; Personally, just make the RNG less punishing and more forgiving, such as a 50% chance for Cascade to give either Reverse Cascade by itself or both Reverse Cascade Rising Windmill and Fountain gives a 50% chance for either Fountainfall by itself or both Fountainfall and Bloodshower, 25% chance to get up to 4 fourfold feathers, and using Fan Dance 1/2 gives you better chances to get Fan Dance 3 based on the number of fourfold feathers you have, capping at 100%, maybe even allow Sabre Dance to proc Starfall Dance and Fan Dance 4 outside of the buffs that proc them. Dancer is still a DPS at the end of day.
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  2. #12
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    Mimilu's Avatar
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    Mimiji Miji
    World
    Exodus
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    For me, I would like:
    •Closed Position to be just a one button press vs having to turn it off then back on.
    •Either give us a way to proc Starfall Dance and Fan Dance IV outside of Devilment and Flourish or just have Devilment and Flourish turn into them.
    •I think Improvisation's effects should be switched: we should give a damage reduction buff while we dance and Finish should give a regen heal when we end it (either damage reduction or regen can be buffed over time). I think this will make Improv slightly better to use outside of when bosses jump off screen and charge their big attack (kind of like AST's Collective Unconscious).
    •I think we need something that shares Standard Step's cooldown for when we aren't dealing with an AoE situation and we don't need to refresh our buff. What about something that does less damage but grants a feather as an example?
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  3. #13
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    Sililos Sanura
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    Sophia
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    For me: I want Starfall Dance and Devilment combined into one button. It doesn't need too be 2. Press devilment, have it change to Starfall Dance.
    Id want the same for Fan Dance IV and Flourish.
    Id Love the RNG to be less punishing.
    Id Love a little more room for error. One mistake should not be enough to make a raid leader angry you 'are not pulling your weight' due to the notable DPS loss for less than perfect performance and RNG.
    Id REALLY love if Dancers were given a performance mode like Bards get, but we string dance moves together. In performance mode you can string together the moves from your attacks without needing a target and without doing damage. Just time your moves so animations dont overlap. With the number of clubs out there now and dance partys, it would be a godsend for many RPers or just club goers in general.
    Id settle for SE to put a little effort into dancer for once instead of looking at us, giving 20% effort and saying "Good enough" then ignoring us for the rest of the expansion. In Shadowbringers, our release expansion, we essentially got 2 seconds in the trailer and the focus was on it being a Viera while Gunbreaker got all the attention lol.
    We didnt even get any notable attention in Radz during Endwalker, its the home of the entire Dancer order! You would think they would have Dancers out in force preforming to lift peoples spirits and combat people falling into despair.
    We dont even get glams outside of our job gear and when we do, they are recolors of the ShB job gear. How many versions of it do we have now? 3?4? Why cant we get a Neo-Ishgardian style outfit that is for Dancers instead of Mechs? It would be low effort and fit well.A set of Late Allagan gear thats not the tank glam minus the skirt.
    Just give us a little attention and time in the light. Were Dancers, we like attention but right now we are being treated like the unwanted middle child of the ShB family lol. "Dancers are fine, this is good enough. They dont need the same attention as Mechs and Bards." (And thats saying something since Bards are fairly ignored in favor of Mechs too lol).
    Did you know Lyna is a Dancer? Every single person i mentioned that fact too certainly didnt know. Thats how little impact SE gave the job.
    We want attention from SE and some actual time on stage damnit! XD
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  4. #14
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    Yencat's Avatar
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    Feiya Harlow
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    I like Improvisation, but it's a little sad for a former capstone skill to barely have any use outside of 8 man content.

    Maybe they could do something like Honing Dance with it, where it actually does some damage and/or you can move during it so it's a bit more useful in content like dungeons and solo play as well?
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  5. #15
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    Pink Perfection
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    I know what Dancer needs: a 4th En Avant
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    Last edited by Vandso; 01-12-2024 at 01:15 PM.

  6. #16
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    Raikai's Avatar
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    For me: I want Starfall Dance and Devilment combined into one button. It doesn't need too be 2. Press devilment, have it change to Starfall Dance.
    Id want the same for Fan Dance IV and Flourish.
    Id Love the RNG to be less punishing.
    Id Love a little more room for error. One mistake should not be enough to make a raid leader angry you 'are not pulling your weight' due to the notable DPS loss for less than perfect performance and RNG.
    Id REALLY love if Dancers were given a performance mode like Bards get, but we string dance moves together. In performance mode you can string together the moves from your attacks without needing a target and without doing damage. Just time your moves so animations dont overlap. With the number of clubs out there now and dance partys, it would be a godsend for many RPers or just club goers in general.
    Id settle for SE to put a little effort into dancer for once instead of looking at us, giving 20% effort and saying "Good enough" then ignoring us for the rest of the expansion. In Shadowbringers, our release expansion, we essentially got 2 seconds in the trailer and the focus was on it being a Viera while Gunbreaker got all the attention lol.
    We didnt even get any notable attention in Radz during Endwalker, its the home of the entire Dancer order! You would think they would have Dancers out in force preforming to lift peoples spirits and combat people falling into despair.
    We dont even get glams outside of our job gear and when we do, they are recolors of the ShB job gear. How many versions of it do we have now? 3?4? Why cant we get a Neo-Ishgardian style outfit that is for Dancers instead of Mechs? It would be low effort and fit well.A set of Late Allagan gear thats not the tank glam minus the skirt.
    Just give us a little attention and time in the light. Were Dancers, we like attention but right now we are being treated like the unwanted middle child of the ShB family lol. "Dancers are fine, this is good enough. They dont need the same attention as Mechs and Bards." (And thats saying something since Bards are fairly ignored in favor of Mechs too lol).
    Did you know Lyna is a Dancer? Every single person i mentioned that fact too certainly didnt know. Thats how little impact SE gave the job.
    We want attention from SE and some actual time on stage damnit! XD
    Funny that thing about gear... Same curse of RPR and GNB with their armor type items 90% of the time not matching their aesthetics.

    RDM rarely feels contemplated by what casters get. I fell in love with Pictomancer, but already dread the lack of proper items for the job's aesthetics, looking in what we have.

    This is yet another reason to unrestrict the glamour limitations for armor sets. The armor type that has what a Dancer normally would wear is actually Scouting.
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    Last edited by Raikai; 01-13-2024 at 01:23 AM.

  7. #17
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    mallleable's Avatar
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    A thing I wouldn't want for DNC would be casts -- even the PVP-style casts. As someone who really hopes BRD, and MCH get some PVP-style casts in DT, I don't think it would feel good or be thematically appropriate for DNC.
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  8. #18
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    As of a change I'd really like to see would be Closed Position having its recast time removed, basically being applied more freely, like its PVP iteration. This 'free' partner swap could lead to some interesting optimizations with jobs that have strong actions in the odd minute windows.
    Closed Position should have a 5s cooldown and function like Kardia, where you can instantly apply it to anyone as an oGCD without having to deactivate and reactivate it. It's not like this would be a super OP thing at all; the benefits of Closed Position don't come from Closed Position but from Devilment and Standard Step, and it's easy enough to remove Standard Step from the old target if you change partners.

    Also minor, but a variation of CP to be usable on the dancer themselves to not be as shafted on solo scenarios.
    "Variation", maybe, after the term for a solo dance in ballet
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    Error 3102 Club, Order of the 52nd Hour

  9. #19
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    Neoaliao Stormreaver
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    I could really go for a level 100 ability that increases ALL proc chances to 100% for 15 seconds with a 2 minute cooldown.
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  10. #20
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Sorry for the double post, I’m on mobile and can’t edit. If they want to go crazy they could rework tech step from just a 2 minute buff to a persistent buff that you need to maintain as much as possible. Example, you dance to start it as you do now. Once it’s active, it increases everyone’s damage/healing by a tiny bit and it now drains a gauge that you can replenish by consuming feathers and flourishes. If the gauge depletes then tech step is off until it comes back off cooldown. People complain about the two minute meta, and frankly if the devs want to tackle the poster child for that, imo, it would be dancer’s tech step.
    Like MP in the way Foe Requiem used to work?

    A man of culture I see
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