Would you rather healers get more complex healing kits or more complex DPS kits?

[Sebazy]

It might be influenced by the times I’ve harped on about how SB AST was a regression in terms of QOL and playability with regards to cards in particular. The loss of MICON OFF and clicking cards zapped a whole optimisation branch and just the way you applied cards in general was a little more cumbersome overall needing more buttons to do the same job. 3.4 HW AST’s cards and time extension mechanics with 4.x’s overall healing kit would be the best combination of the two IMO+++

[fulminating]

How do you foresee this and burning lilies interacting? In casual content and especially stq I find I end up burning lilies to not overcap and get that bonus damage in raid buffs. Would this just require half a second more awareness to dismiss the stance and not fizzle? Sage doesn’t have a similar issue as its mp renewal is from oGCDs and wouldn’t be subject to the same penalty.
Then again this would help the jobs feel more differentiated if they all interact with the same mechanic in different ways.

[Volgia]

So correct me if I'm wrong here, but it often feels that the Devs saw min-maxers and the community chasing optimization and then said, what players like are to do more DPS. And so they leaned into that to the point that I've heard "Good healers never cast a heal GCD if they can help it". So to me to make healers more interesting they would have to revise their encounter design. more than just give them more damage options. I don't mean to say that the bosses should hit for more damage or give you a nasty DOT every AoE, that's the equivalent of "It's difficult because the boss has more HP and hits twice as hard". There should be more mechanics that are healer oriented. The only thing that comes to mind is that phase in Shinryu where you have to heal some dragon heads.... some more stuff like that where the healers interact with the encounter differently.

[fulminating]

The only thing that comes to mind is that phase in Shinryu where you have to heal some dragon heads.... some more stuff like that where the healers interact with the encounter differently.

Since they just recently removed the Epstein heal check from the aery, I can’t see them having that idea anytime soon.

[Higashikata]

Just bring back cleric stance and give healers another 2 to 4 dps buttons

[Laerune]

I hope Cleric Stance stays in bin where it should stay. It was clunky and useless, you want to deal dps, you put it on, you want to heal, you take it off, why does anyone want to do this? As Ren said, it divided the community, I remember alot of toxic comments were directed towards healers. I dont want to see it come back and I doubt the developers want it back aswell.

Complex DPS isnt the answer either, we are healers, we should heal. If the encounters requires us to deal damage, because the party is not losing enough of HP, then the encounters need the be changed. An Ideal encounter has us do 80% healing and 20% DPS, now its the other way around. They could start by nerfing OGCD spells, our GCD spells are useless with how good our OGCD spells are.

Make healing to difficult and those with lower skill will abandon the role which inturn means longer queue to wait for healers, make it too easy and we get forum threads like this one. Square cant win.

[ChrysOCE]

I hope Cleric Stance stays in bin where it should stay. It was clunky and useless, you want to deal dps, you put it on, you want to heal, you take it off, why does anyone want to do this? As Ren said, it divided the community, I remember alot of toxic comments were directed towards healers. I dont want to see it come back and I doubt the developers want it back aswell.

Complex DPS isnt the answer either, we are healers, we should heal. If the encounters requires us to deal damage, because the party is not losing enough of HP, then the encounters need the be changed. An Ideal encounter has us do 80% healing and 20% DPS, now its the other way around. They could start by nerfing OGCD spells, our GCD spells are useless with how good our OGCD spells are.

Make healing to difficult and those with lower skill will abandon the role which inturn means longer queue to wait for healers, make it too easy and we get forum threads like this one. Square cant win.

80-20 sounds right to what my expectations are for that role. And the 80 doesn't need to be full on healing. Give us more utility to do - buffs (single/party), debuffs, give us stuff to cleanse, make the debuffs given to party last longer - poison/blind/slow, so you actually do have to esuna it and not be like... oh, yea. well, there's 3sec remaining so w/e.

Though, I would also argue, no. There's got to be some level of "growth" in a players ability to play a job, from lvl 1 to 90, surely? Don't worry so much making sure that content is too safe to fail. As a base line, 1-50 you are learning basics and role. 50-80 you should be getting super comfortable with what you need to do in your role.

80+? no, the game should throw whatever it needs at you. I don't mean body check insta-fail mechanics. But come on, its fine for 80+ content to hit harder, faster, use all your skills/abilities. Dungeons and alliance raids hit like wet noodles. You are in more "danger" from synced 50lvl dungeons and synced lvl 60-80 sync Alliance Raids than from lvl90 equivalent. How on earth is that even a thing?

[Saraide]

If I was very selfish I would also argue for vastly increased healing requirements. I'd have insta queues for literally everything. Could do a power trip on every DF group. Pretty confident I could manage it aswell, I've made it through harrowing hell.

[Boblawblah]

Serious question from a newbie healer: What would healing look like if they removed like 90% of oGCD heals? idk, just a shower thought I had. It seems like the more I'm leveling healers, the more oGCD heals i'm getting. That's an awful lot of 'holy shoot' buttons.

[fulminating]

Serious question from a newbie healer: What would healing look like if they removed like 90% of oGCD heals? idk, just a shower thought I had. It seems like the more I'm leveling healers, the more oGCD heals i'm getting. That's an awful lot of 'holy shoot' buttons.

Why do you consider ogcds "holy shoot" buttons?