Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
Ah, so the miners — who were famously mistreated and poorly compensated by their employers — that went on strike to push for improved working conditions were "being trolls"? That's certainly one way to interpret that situation.
Yes, labor unions were a huge issue for companies back then. Mostly they were corrupted and run by the mob. They used tactics of fear, intimidation and threats of violence to get their way. They didn't just go on strike. And yes, any employee that whispered about unionization was usually blacklisted by companies. It was one thing to talk about horrible work environments, and a completely different thing to have your company run by the mafia.

However, where does it mention race?

The terms existed long before America at any rate.

Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
The association of white and black with the respective lists was of course chosen for the "purity" of the color white and the "uncleanness" (disrepute, shame, disgrace, suspicion) of the color black. These are the same color connotations that drove (still drive) racist mindsets for hundreds of years, so trying to excuse the list terms by claiming the lists themselves had nothing to do with race would be disingenuous.
While I concede to your first sentence, I vehemently disagree with your second sentence. That line of thinking in itself is fundamentally flawed.

Just because you associate white with something that is clean, good, or pure, doesn't mean you automatically associate those same terms with skin color.

And just because you associate black with something that is shady, dirty, or evil, doesn't mean you automatically associate those same terms with skin color.

Where does it end? Black Mage? White Mage? Dark Knight?

Is the next thread going to be about getting rid of Black Mage, based on the sordid history of black magic and the witch trials? Do we immediately associate the color "black" in it to a skin color? Or does it have to do with the type of destructive magic it casts?

Do we discuss the reasons why only white magic can be curative? Is it because it is inherently racist and the only "pure" mage? Or is it because white is associated with supportive magic?

Doesth thine Dark Knight bringeth thee plague? Shouldst thou break bread with thee?

People need to just stop with the redeemer act. Stop placing "issues" where none exist, or at least don't exist out of small university think tanks where they come up with this nonsense.