/r/ffxivdiscussion Reddit Poll: Do you want anti-cheat in FFXIV?

[Neoyoshi]

I have to say people may not understand Yoshi-P or this dev team as well as they think they might if people believe it's 'Fall Guys' that would be the final nail. They would have done something a very VERY long time ago if they thought a anti-cheat measure was absolutely essential, and it would have been over something related to World First races or PvP/Feast Seasons.

[Stormpeaks]

I have to say people may not understand Yoshi-P or this dev team as well as they think they might if people believe it's 'Fall Guys' that would be the final nail. They would have done something a very VERY long time ago if they thought a anti-cheat measure was absolutely essential, and it would have been over something related to World First races or PvP/Feast Seasons.

Every single drama that happens will be the end of mods according to this forum, yet it never happens

I wonder why

Hmmmm

[Gemina]

I see zero point in anti cheats if strict penalties are not going to be enforced. Strict penalties IS the anti cheat. If you give players a feeling of FAFO by implementing no tolerance for cheating, and show that you will not only ban accounts for violating the ToS in general, but actually outright delete characters for cheating you will get completely different behavior from these players.

Cheating, put simply, destroys the integrity of the game. In no world is this worth the handful of subs that follow the accounts that are eliminated. And in all honesty, that's just the trash taking itself out.

[Gralna]

Find it funny that people will point at some mods having 1 million downloads and claim, "see! everyone uses it!" then are magically able to deduce that FFXIV having 27 million accounts, doesn't mean that 27 million people are playing.

If I had to guess, I'd say around 5% of the active playerbase uses mods of any kind. This is mostly based on studies that have shown your average online gamer is very inactive in regard to seeking out additional information about the game, outside of the game itself. That your average online gamer, plays 1-8 hours a week, isn't on any online discussion platforms for the game, and isn't looking up videos for the game, and isn't looking up guides or strategies for the game.

There are many reports that repeat this similar result, such as this Forbes article. With the funny part being, that most of these articles are shocked by how much this is an increase in average gaming time compared to a decade ago.

So yea, while I'm on the side of letting players mod if they want, though maybe lockdown the API a bit to not make them trivialize content, or worse, become required for doing content. I also believe that if SE or XIV did find a way to lockdown mods, it wouldn't be the end of the game, not even close.

[KageTokage]

No, I just want a competent moderation team.

It's not difficult to identify most forms of cheating via direct investigation vs. faulty automated detection measures.

[Mr_Gyactus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...heat_in_ffxiv/
SE could implement this in a way that doesn't detract from or delay the current content pipeline.
SE could implement this in a way that doesn't set the game on fire like they did in 6.3 when they changed how packets were handled.
It would work more or less "perfectly".

it's the "perfectly" the problem here. It will slow down how data is received and sent (I need to control "anomalies"), thus if you have a system barely sufficient to handle the game, the anticheat will make the game -worse-

[Turtledeluxe]

Of course no is going to win. A majority of the player base are cheaters.

[Sindele]

It's a false premise to begin with and the OP (the original one, not this thread's OP, you get me) already admits it with their definition of what "perfectly" entails. Client side anti-cheat simply isn't sufficient to do what people want it to do, no matter how many screeds get posted about 'securing the launcher'.

I have said something to this effect many times and I will say it again: this is ultimately just a facet of one of the core security problems with PC gaming - whether you exercise it, understand it, or live in blissful ignorance of it, the truth is that you have the ability to exercise complete and ultimate authority over everything that happens on your PC. Companies and programs can utilize increasingly elaborate efforts to protect and obfuscate themselves from that authority, but if sufficiently motivated and capable, the physical controller always wins. And at this point the community is very large, very talented, and very motivated.

But that's okay, because client-side sucks anyway as previously established. It's server-side enforcement and moderation that needs to improve, and the only thing preventing SE from doing it is being cheap. The rest of this argument is smoke and mirrors and finger pointing.

[george357]

well no saving this dead horse beating topic please let it die and bury it.

[Reinha]

If the devs fixed their game, there would be no need for an anti cheat because people would use fewer addons.