SCH PVP

[SweetPete]

Hi fellow warriors of light,

Just a quick question. Would sch’s bio dot not losing potency on a guarded target. Would it make them OP at all? I mean all the healers have burst in PvP except sch. It’s very support heavy and also heavily relies on a decent/good team to win.

I don’t think it will be op but I know allot of people here crunch numbers etc so am just asking.

Thanks,

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

It wouldn't necessarily be OP, it would just be another spit in the bucket of "why do we even have Guard if we keep adding abilities that just completely ignore guard".

The real kicker in SCH's kit is Mummify's heal reduction for offensive support anyhow because heal reductions are absolutely crippling to opponents.

[SweetPete]

It wouldn't necessarily be OP, it would just be another spit in the bucket of "why do we even have Guard if we keep adding abilities that just completely ignore guard".

The real kicker in SCH's kit is Mummify's heal reduction for offensive support anyhow because heal reductions are absolutely crippling to opponents.

I see your point but it’s not that many skills that go through guard to begin with I think. It’s not like every job has a skill that can go through it. I just think since scholar doesn’t have any burst that bio going through guard wouldn’t make the job op. I mean yeah you still get the damage down no matter but the damage is just so crippled and sch doesn’t have much of it to begin with anyway.

[Eastwall]

The damage on bio is not "effective" damage if you get what l mean. It takes a while to accrue value, and your teammates got to be alive to capitalize the value. Otherwise, the enemy is just going to pot and negate all your work. So l think bio ignore guard is fine in 5v5.... But It would be a nightmare in frontline. I actually ran into a 5 scholar premade. The stacked bio ticks 19k per tick. It was even less skill than dragoon dk. Well, frontline is a joke anyway. So l think it is ok.

[Llynethil]

Put it on before guard, unless they changed it along the way, dots applied before guard don't get mitigated during guard.

[Post]

I'm curious about FL mechanics, actually.

I think Biolysis on Guard reduces its entire damage effect even after Guard finishes, including Bane, but how does that translate to FL? If a SCH Banes from a target with less passive defense like a BRD, does that version of the DoT have the BRD level of effect on the Baned DRG? Or for that effect do they both compute from the root potency of Biolysis (like they probably should)?

[SweetPete]

Put it on before guard, unless they changed it along the way, dots applied before guard don't get mitigated during guard.

I know this already. Just sometimes they get guard up right as I am pressing it and it’s too late to stop it because it’s instant cast. So then instead of almost 5k because of recitation it’s almost 500 lol. I was just wondering if making it go through guard at full potency will make sch op or not. It’s a strong job in the right hands in PvP. Don’t get me wrong. Just wish bio kept the same potency even to guarded targets.

[Shikiseki]

I don't think it should bypass guard when you use it on a guarded target but instead make the deployment of said debuffs to other enemy players unavoidable.
Maybe it already is I never tested it fully but adding a layer of strategic dot placement on people that just have spent their guard sounds very on brand for SCH since once it's snapshotted on with full power, it can already bypass guard as mentioned above.

Who knows, maybe they will add a new skill or two into 7.0 pvp skillsets, Scholar could introduce a "Scan" ability that could temporarily expose the weakness of 1 target to bypass any defenses for a short time

[Kathleen_]

I'm curious about FL mechanics, actually.

I think Biolysis on Guard reduces its entire damage effect even after Guard finishes, including Bane, but how does that translate to FL? If a SCH Banes from a target with less passive defense like a BRD, does that version of the DoT have the BRD level of effect on the Baned DRG? Or for that effect do they both compute from the root potency of Biolysis (like they probably should)?

Yeah, if you spread from a ranged all the melee you hit will get ranged-tier dot ticks. Usually this is how people get insane numbers like 6mil+ damage on SCH.