Third-party Tools Can Negatively Affect Players Not Using Them

[HikariKurosawa]

Man, days ago I was debating myself after reading their credentials that they never stop relating anything and everything with third party tool talks. That linked thread confirms everything that I need to know lol tyvm.

If I am going to be posting on these forums, it will be about third party tools. No other dialogue about this game is pressing enough to me to address. I'd rather be playing the game or doing something else than posting on forums personally.

So yeah? With your post count though it makes sense that you care about the forums a lot and maybe can't wrap your head around the idea that someone would use them as a tool solely to address a specific problem they have with the game.

[Stormpeaks]

If I am going to be posting on these forums, it will be about third party tools. No other dialogue about this game is pressing enough to me to address. I'd rather be playing the game or doing something else than posting on forums personally.

So yeah? With your post count though it makes sense that you care about the forums a lot and maybe can't wrap your head around the idea that someone would use them as a tool solely to address a specific problem they have with the game.

Or maybe you have 0 credibility thus no one cares, you literally insulted a disabled person and are telling them they shouldn't play the game because it hurts your feelings.

[HikariKurosawa]

Or maybe you have 0 credibility thus no one cares, you literally insulted a disabled person and are telling them they shouldn't play the game because it hurts your feelings.

I said "skill issue" to someone whose only mention of their "disability" was "I use addons for accessibility issues". It's fair enough for me to not assume they are disabled because they have accessibility issues with approaching ultimate raids in this game. If you read their post history that's the level of content they are doing. It's normal to have accessibility issues with the hardest content of this game. It is most often a skill issue.

You can try to twist the meaning of my statement and make me out to be some boogie man, but I don't care. It just makes you sound pathetic to me.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

I said "skill issue" to someone whose only mention of their "disability" was "I use addons for accessibility issues". It's fair enough for me to not assume they are disabled because they have accessibility issues with approaching ultimate raids in this game.

What else could "accessibility issues" possibly mean? You're just trying to be pedantic now. That phrase has a clear meaning, and you ignored it either willfully or because you just didn't care enough to consider it. Either way, go back to talking about how disabled people don't deserve to play this game because muh cheats.

[HikariKurosawa]

What else could "accessibility issues" possibly mean? You're just trying to be pedantic now. That phrase has a clear meaning, and you ignored it either willfully or because you just didn't care enough to consider it. Either way, go back to talking about how disabled people don't deserve to play this game because muh cheats.

Issues with accessing the content? Why would I consider it in this thread anyway? It's about cheating in raiding and other systems of the game.

Never once did I say or imply disabled people don't deserve to play this game. If you have to cheat to participate though, you should stay out of that level of content.

Keep up the virtue signaling though it's funny.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Issues with accessing the content?

No. Certain phrases mean certain things, and if you say you don't know this, you're either outright lying or you're so socially stunted that you need to get some instruction before you go out into a public place and interact with people.

You told a disabled person to git gud. You did this. No matter how much backpedaling or how many excuses, you did it, and we all saw you do it. Nothing you say will change that.

Keep up the virtue signaling though it's funny.

[HikariKurosawa]

No. Certain phrases mean certain things, and if you say you don't know this, you're either outright lying or you're so socially stunted that you need to get some instruction before you go out into a public place and interact with people.

You told a disabled person to git gud. You did this. No matter how much backpedaling or how many excuses, you did it, and we all saw you do it. Nothing you say will change that.

Rofl, okay? What are you gonna do cancel me for something that never happened? Try it.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Rofl, okay? What are you gonna do cancel me for something that never happened? Try it.

Never said anything about canceling you, just that it destroyed what little credibility you had. Go somewhere else with your persecution complex.

Okay, done shouting at the brick wall now. Feel free to reply to me though, because god knows you lack the self confidence to let anyone else have the last word in one of your conversations.

[HikariKurosawa]

Never said anything about canceling you, just that it destroyed what little credibility you had. Go somewhere else with your persecution complex.

Okay, done shouting at the brick wall now. Feel free to reply to me though, because god knows you lack the self confidence to let anyone else have the last word in one of your conversations.

What need for credibility is there in this discussion? I am advocating for an even playing field without cheaters. Nothing more. You act like it's a subjective position or one that requires any accomplishments to take.

"Done shouting at the brick wall now." LOL. Sure you are.

[AzhreiVahlok]

Prog logs are going to be a thing for any sort of hardcore raiding group/static so ultimately if you want to avoid future issues I would get someone to log you and save the link somewhere for easy access. The people advertising for those groups want proof that you're not going to be deadweight since everyone involved is most likely going to be a high-end raider so they have their own expectations for how quick prog should be.

You can avoid this though by seeking more casual/midcore groups for the content but that obviously also comes with its own set of drawbacks (odds are you'll have a longer prog time, for example). It's ultimately up to whoever is running the group to set their own rules for how they want to filter people so you should figure out which way is most comfortable for you.

Another alternative is to form your own group and make it clear that you want no plugin usage by any of your members when interviewing people or try to form a console-only static to completely nuke out the potential of it occurring.

The blunt truth is that plugin usage isn't going to go away as long as Yoshi turns a blind eye to it outside of World 1st issues occurring, so it would probably be in your best interest to adjust to them existing however you can or avoid groups that use them at all (which you can find out by asking when being interviewed).

Interviewed.... prog logs.... lol wth I thought this was a game not a job. On PS btw, not pc. Kinda miss the old 11 when i hear things like this. We'd actually EXPLAIN THINGS and help people learn, not (how fast can you prog [wtf does that even mean, progression?]). Now it's interviews and parser logs and if you're not good enough yet... well too bad we won't let you have a chance to learn. bye