Samurai Deleted Action(s), Comeback of Ageha in 7.x or beyond?

[SoloD007]

Hi Creative business unit III or Yoshi-P,

I'm writing this thread because of reminiscence/nostalgia of 4.x Samurai deleted action(s) such as Ageha. I miss it and I want it back if possible(and I'm not too sure why it was removed in the first place back in 5.x/Shadowbringer, could it be button bloating?). Anyways it had a cool looking animation and the kenki generation of +10 and +250 potency was always super useful, Obviously now samurai kenki gauge management has becomes less strict meaning, you will always have enough kenki in no matter what situation you are in but yeah. Bring back Ageha please? Haha

Thanks for reading

Ageha description: https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Ageha#General

Ageha Animation: https://youtu.be/fXTy7WLazNQ (Apologizes about the watermark on the video, I had to remove the text - 'Hagakure' on the video with an online free video watermark removal program, haha)

[AsiTsurugi]

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If I am being honest, this skill is even less important than Kaiten (the removal of which was met with overwhelming opposition across EN and JP forums) to the kit, which is likely why it is gone. Situational "can use when target is < 20% hp for 10 kenki" when you already get excessive kenki due to lack of a second kenki spender means this is extremely unlikely to make the cut. Also let's see how long 20% hp lasts in savage. Is it like 2-3 minutes? You get 2-3 uses of this skill over an 8-11 minute fight to get a grand total of 20-30 kenki, translating to 1 shinten, and about 500 potency in total. To me that sounds like a waste of a button, but if that seems like a valid use case for you, then you might want to support an even more valid use case that Kaiten provided (which I see you have not, in the thread that someone painstakingly went to compile every Kaiten-supporting thread in).

[SoloD007]

If I am being honest, this skill is even less important than Kaiten (the removal of which was met with overwhelming opposition across EN and JP forums) to the kit, which is likely why it is gone. Situational "can use when target is < 20% hp for 10 kenki" when you already get excessive kenki due to lack of a second kenki spender means this is extremely unlikely to make the cut. Also let's see how long 20% hp lasts in savage. Is it like 2-3 minutes? You get 2-3 uses of this skill over an 8-11 minute fight to get a grand total of 20-30 kenki, translating to 1 shinten, and about 500 potency in total. To me that sounds like a waste of a button, but if that seems like a valid use case for you, then you might want to support an even more valid use case that Kaiten provided (which I see you have not, in the thread that someone painstakingly went to compile every Kaiten-supporting thread in).

Removal of Kaiten, doesn't bother me that much. Yes it's a great boost in damage yes, it feels good to hit the button but Ageha can also be re-worked so that it doesn't require the target to be below 20% HP to use it. But honestly, Kaiten advantage heavily on gear. People who have better ilvl gear or sub-stats benefit from kaiten the most, not saying Kaiten doesn't help everyone but some people get more than others. Therefore I can understand why JP players want it back as well as EN especially those who likes to min-max everything and aiming for orange/gold or pink parse. To me, I don't really miss it. Not that I didn't always use it in the past. Whether SE adds it back or not, it's all the same to me. But I am rooting for every samurai players that are chasing Kaiten back. I only voiced my honest opinions in that post that you mentioned and in this post. Whether you agree with me or not, is a different story. I'm just here to play the game and enjoy my time and to be honest Kaiten makes it slightly less enjoyable for me.

[AsiTsurugi]

Therefore I can understand why JP players want it back as well as EN especially those who likes to min-max everything and aiming for orange/gold or pink parse.

TLDR: "Me special, me not like those filthy parsers".

Now if you weren't too self-absorbed, you'd go and see (in that compiled thread) that people that don't do savage or even raid making threads/posts about wanting Kaiten back. I have yet to see anyone complain about losing a deathblow, which every job had removed at the start of ShB, and you just "want it back" with no reasons provided other than "it looked cool", which is also a reason we all want Kaiten back. You shooting down something because "me speshul" will backfire, and here it is.

"I don't use Kaiten so I don't care". I started playing the game just before 5.2, I didn't even know this terrible skill called "Ahega" existed till now, let alone use it, so I should also just dismiss it out of hand, and I have no qualms whatsoever doing that. It was a terrible skill with 0 use in any situation. When I mentioned this thread to a few of my friends, the response was "Oh that Ninja-adjacent shit? I am glad it's gone", and those are people that have played the game since Heavensward, and guess what, I will agree with that assessment. The animation was just a slightly longer Shinten, the functionality was absolutely god-awful that I am glad it's gone so I didn't have to see that in my hotbar when I started playing.

[HikariKurosawa]

TLDR: "Me special, me not like those filthy parsers".

Now if you weren't too self-absorbed, you'd go and see (in that compiled thread) that people that don't do savage or even raid making threads/posts about wanting Kaiten back. I have yet to see anyone complain about losing a deathblow, which every job had removed at the start of ShB, and you just "want it back" with no reasons provided other than "it looked cool", which is also a reason we all want Kaiten back. You shooting down something because "me speshul" will backfire, and here it is.

"I don't use Kaiten so I don't care". I started playing the game just before 5.2, I didn't even know this terrible skill called "Ahega" existed till now, let alone use it, so I should also just dismiss it out of hand, and I have no qualms whatsoever doing that. It was a terrible skill with 0 use in any situation. When I mentioned this thread to a few of my friends, the response was "Oh that Ninja-adjacent shit? I am glad it's gone", and those are people that have played the game since Heavensward, and guess what, I will agree with that assessment. The animation was just a slightly longer Shinten, the functionality was absolutely god-awful that I am glad it's gone so I didn't have to see that in my hotbar when I started playing.

Kaiten is one of the worst animations this job has ever had lol. It's like poser samurai anime flair to the maximum. So glad it was removed and ikishoten should be next, then guren.

Only then will samurai stop being an anime fantasy job and reflect the fantasy of actual samurai values.

It's fine to like kaiten for its animation, but not everyone is in the same boat and it's a really good thing that it was removed.

Ageha as a kenki dump on a 60 second cooldown would be much cooler. Varying potency with amount of kenki pooled is also a great idea. The one problem this job has currently is too much kenki and too much shinten spam.

[SoloD007]

Kaiten is one of the worst animations this job has ever had lol. It's like poser samurai anime flair to the maximum. So glad it was removed and ikishoten should be next, then guren.

Only then will samurai stop being an anime fantasy job and reflect the fantasy of actual samurai values.

It's fine to like kaiten for its animation, but not everyone is in the same boat and it's a really good thing that it was removed.

Ageha as a kenki dump on a 60 second cooldown would be much cooler. Varying potency with amount of kenki pooled is also a great idea. The one problem this job has currently is too much kenki and too much shinten spam.

Thank you.

[HikariNoTaka]

Kaiten is one of the worst animations this job has ever had lol. It's like poser samurai anime flair to the maximum. So glad it was removed and ikishoten should be next, then guren.

Only then will samurai stop being an anime fantasy job and reflect the fantasy of actual samurai values.

It's fine to like kaiten for its animation, but not everyone is in the same boat and it's a really good thing that it was removed.
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Yeah no, i think you missed the point entirely. Get away from my anime fantasy job

[SoloD007]

[QUOTE=AsiTsurugi;6380755]TLDR: "Me special, me not like those filthy parsers".

"Now if you weren't too self-absorbed, you'd go and see (in that compiled thread) that people that don't do savage or even raid making threads/posts about wanting Kaiten back. I have yet to see anyone complain about losing a deathblow, which every job had removed at the start of ShB, and you just "want it back" with no reasons provided other than "it looked cool", which is also a reason we all want Kaiten back. You shooting down something because "me speshul" will backfire, and here it is."

Sorry AsiTsurugi;6380755, have we met somewhere before in game? or should I say do I know you? Look, I put my first idea up about Kaeshi: Higanbana being a double DoT, some people including you trying to shoot it down, Although the idea was getting shot down I still agreed with majority of the players including you because you were spitting facts (even though I knew the facts that's been mentioned). However, I'm was just giving my honest opinion and you call me out? You said you are passionate about Samurai, cool. I'm also passionate about Samurai. But we have different views on Samurai and that's just that. Also I never mentioned or have any intention to call out parsers so don't put your own words into my mouth, thanks. I just mentioned that, people that are chasing better parse would want Kaiten back (and there is nothing wrong about that). Or did I hit a soft spot for you? Also if you are someone from creative business unit III or a head of that department, and you think it can't be done or the unit can't be bothered with it, then just say it upfront politely with a 'no' or 'sorry, it can't be done due to x reason'. You coming here calling me and other people out and pointing negative things and also making up words or intentions that other people didn't say nor think is just toxic. Which show a lot about you as a person (personality and attitude). If your reason to log on into the forum everyday is just to call people out and shoot people down then you need to re-think about your life and as a person. I had no qualms with you before nor with people chasing after Kaiten but you have to make it personal? Again I'll state it for you just in case you can't compute it, I'm was just stating my honest opinion and I'll state it again. Whether you agree with or not, is a different story. Don't try to force others to agree with you and don't try to passively force others into your agreement by spewing gossip that wasn't even mentioned or thought of. Don't be a terrorist. But in my opinion, since you have started to fight back to me when I haven't even throw the first punch then my honest opinion is that you need to play another game. Also a friendly FYI impersonating a Square-Enix staff is against the ToC or it's agreement, https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216 and finally. All I did was asking politely whether Ageha can be brought back. I don't need your so called "constructive feedback". Thanks.

[SoloD007]

TLDR: "Me special, me not like those filthy parsers".

Now if you weren't too self-absorbed, you'd go and see (in that compiled thread) that people that don't do savage or even raid making threads/posts about wanting Kaiten back. I have yet to see anyone complain about losing a deathblow, which every job had removed at the start of ShB, and you just "want it back" with no reasons provided other than "it looked cool", which is also a reason we all want Kaiten back. You shooting down something because "me speshul" will backfire, and here it is.

"I don't use Kaiten so I don't care". I started playing the game just before 5.2, I didn't even know this terrible skill called "Ahega" existed till now, let alone use it, so I should also just dismiss it out of hand, and I have no qualms whatsoever doing that. It was a terrible skill with 0 use in any situation. When I mentioned this thread to a few of my friends, the response was "Oh that Ninja-adjacent shit? I am glad it's gone", and those are people that have played the game since Heavensward, and guess what, I will agree with that assessment. The animation was just a slightly longer Shinten, the functionality was absolutely god-awful that I am glad it's gone so I didn't have to see that in my hotbar when I started playing.

Oh and also on top of what i said to you in another post, if you wake up and log into forum and just to bully others into agreeing with your opinion, you are just breeding toxicity in the forum which turns/puts people off from actually want to make the game better or giving out ideas or just asking if a skill can be bought back from a past expansion. I don't know what life you have lived nor your background or your upbringing but all I know is you need to dig yourself a hole and sit in there and have a deep self reflection about yourself. It will help you and help everyone around you because right now, I can tell you have a toxic personality and most likely the people around you or the people you hang with are also same as you. Toxic. (because like attracts like, or what you put out in the world, the world will give it back to you the same way. It's a unspoken law of the world). So please. Come back to the forum when you have re-formed yourself and have become more mature. Thanks.

[VictorSpoils]

All of the "deathblow" actions got scrapped. That'd be funny though if they brought Ageha instead of Kaiten.