Plot Locking for Blacklisted Players

[Bellsong]

Sounds like a feature that would be extremely abused by venue owners for example

Just say you're okay with venue owners and random people being harassed by trolls instead of trying to argue that locks on doors is actually a moral issue.

[Kaurhz]

LOL

I don't see why not, it would alleviate some issues with stalker behavior.

Besides, on the note venues, it is their venue so it is ultimately their prerogative as to whether they do or do not want certain people there, as it would be as their own, and ultimately private estate.

I also think if you have a mutual friend who is at a venue you then you and said friend should be capable with finding another venue, IMO. There's a bountiful number of them out there.

[LilimoLimomo]

On one hand, I see the value of being able to keep folks who have been harassing you out of your hair; that would be a point in favor of this feature.

On the other hand, I can see venues using this as a tool to do their own harassing. "No gays", "No girls allowed", "No Lalas", etc. That seems like an even bigger point against this feature.

[TaleraRistain]

Imagine missing the point that badly

Player X has their friend Y at their venue

Player Y doesnt like you

Player Y tells X to blacklist you out of the venue even if you havent done anything

You are unable to access X's venue for no reason at all.

But hey, good on you for trying at least

You're treating it like someone has an inherent right to be at the venue just because it exists. They don't. Would it be crappy if someone behaved like this? Yes. But it's their plot and they should be able to make decisions about who can be there based on whatever parameters they want. Others can still call them out on it if they feel they're being unfair.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Once again, if X venue owner has their friend in the venue and they're biased, they can just ban anyone from getting in even if the person hasnt done anything

it would be a disaster, so big no from me

This is such a dumb hypothetical. Not a single player in this game is entitled to be on "enter my private house" good terms with every other player.

Doesn't matter if some petty stuff happens or if their blocking you was misdirected. If you can't get over not being able to go into a single venue out of thousands, or otherwise lack the social grace to clear up an impersonal mistake, why should the rest of the game cater to that?

I think it is far more important that players be given tools to protect their private spaces from trolls than to console the feelings of anyone as insecure as the kind of person you suggest exists.

[WantlessYoYo]

The blacklist in this game is nearly worthless, OP. Let's say you added me for a week, but realized I was a crazy person after a few days. You unadd me and blacklist me. Despite this, I'd still be able to:
a) run into you in random dutyfinder content
b) join partyfinder groups that you happened to be in as well (but not ones that you created)
c) approach you in town and speak to you in /say
d) use the player search function to find your location, and then go to that location and bother you
e) assuming we were on each others friends lists before you blacklisted me, I could simply not remove you from mine and still know when you were online, which server/dc you were on, and your location
f) manually approach your home (I can no longer teleport to it if you removed me from your friends list, but let's say I'm a capable stalker and simply committed the address to memory) and dance in the front yard while harassing you in /say
g) enter your home (assuming you don't lock it) and talk to you or the people inside even if you don't want me there. There is no selective lock function, so locking your door to me means locking your door to everyone else in the game btw
h) stay in your home for as long as I like; you have no way to remove me short of just asking and hoping I comply, and then reporting and hoping a GM removes me (LOL)
i) if you try to leave the server or change your name, I can simply access your lodestone, which does not change, and find your new identity that way. Then the fun game starts all over again!

The lesson here is ... don't add people to your friends lists, I guess. Great system from CBU3! Over 10 years and they haven't improved it at all! Maplestory came out in like 2003 or something and had a buddy system that at least removed on both ends when 1 person requested it. But for some reason, this game cannot because it might hurt people's feelings or something. What a wonderful game! What a great community!
Blacklist should be expanded. Guys working in their basements without a salary have created custom voidlists that erase a player's presence from visibility. SE has no excuse; they just don't care.

Man is so freaking terrifying to think of people like this that truly exists
How sad your life would have to be to reach to these extremes yet even more having all these tools available for you to do so

[EstelleCere]

I think this would be a good feature to add, to try to keep people away that harass you. As for the venue stuff, normally people who would kick someone out or "ban" from their venue have reasons like if someone was being rude...or something like that. So this could also help with that. And, like others have said, there are plenty venue's open if someone did end up getting blacklisted from that venue for some weird drama reason. So I don't really see an issue other than some frustration.

And honestly, the whole blacklisting system would do good to be reworked, along with the friends list system, or lodestone. This game basically encourages stalking with these things, like people still being able to harass you or find you wherever you end up. Sometimes gm's can't do much either, because that person might not even be saying anything to you but just being in your area you are too many times. It's pretty predatory.

[Oldyfeller]

This is all really good discussion

I hope SquareEnix gives this thread thorough consideration

[Boblawblah]

I can't imagine why it would be a bad thing to give control of the house owner on who is allowed to enter, or not enter, their own house. And if someone didn't want me at their venue, then that's their right as well. I wouldn't want to go to a party if someone didn't want me there anyways.

But maybe I'm missing some nuance, I don't even own a home or go to venues.

[Remolia]

Imagine missing the point that badly

Player X has their friend Y at their venue

Player Y doesnt like you

Player Y tells X to blacklist you out of the venue even if you havent done anything

You are unable to access X's venue for no reason at all.

But hey, good on you for trying at least

If X complies to Y requests, u probably better not interact and waste any more time on player X and their plot.