You're a Disgrace

[TheDustyOne]

I know, I used those examples as things we have because those are the areas where the server trusts the client. The wall they haven't broken is the server, so moving server-side programming to the client now gives a paper wall they can break down easier. Your solution would make the cheating worse, not better.

[strawberrycake]

I know, I used those examples as things we have because those are the areas where the server trusts the client. The wall they haven't broken is the server, so moving server-side programming to the client now gives a paper wall they can break down easier. Your solution would make the cheating worse, not better.

This brings me to my favorite part of the situation, More Active Enforcement now, no more Vague TOS that allows Yoshida to play nicely with all the TOS breakers. It's been a thing for years now, don't ask, don't tell. You can use your tools so long as you stay quiet and don't adversely affect others, now LOVE to play their little silent game as well and quietly ban obvious offenders. But a more Outright more make an example of people approach would quash it all in one go. Putting people on Display while making moves to to lessen your own load and Banning all the very much Obvious offenders sends a msg, suddenly you see large swaths of players going poof. The game runs better and bam we all win.

Stay Dusty My Friend.

[TheDustyOne]

Enforcement is nice and all, and I agree with that, but that's a separate issue. If you open the floodgates on the client to cheating, then no GM force will be able to stop the flood. Make the server secure and don't trust the client, then whatever cheats that do crop up should be quickly quashed from a much smaller GM force than would be needed if the server was way too trusting.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Also a vague TOS is 100% better over a specific one. Once people know exactly what they can't do then it turns into creating loopholes around that.

[Brixy]

This is 100% a problem that is caused by developer choices. Are they aware of the cheating? Yes. Do the devs continue to make rewards that specifically reward cheating anyways? Yes. They could have easily made the title based on rounds played, or just make it to the final round so 8/24 get credit, and instead they chose to tie it into wins in a game mode that only 1 out of 24 can win. This directly rewards those that cheat and was absolutely an awful dev decision knowing full well how rampant cheating is. It's that same decision making that ruined ranked CC due to cheaters and win traders claiming top 100 placement rewards. Any form of PvP should be heavily tracked period. Failure to do so is how you end up with... this lol. Every round becomes a question of "Did they actually beat me fairly or are they using an addon to get an unfair advantage? If they are using an addon then why am I even playing this garbage uphill battle?" It just breeds hatred in the community and again... it's 100% the devs fault. Either ban the cheaters or stop adding rewards that encourage the cheating if you are not going to ban them.

This is coming from someone who couldn't care less about the title btw.

[shiraneko]

I know, I used those examples as things we have because those are the areas where the server trusts the client. The wall they haven't broken is the server, so moving server-side programming to the client now gives a paper wall they can break down easier. Your solution would make the cheating worse, not better.

Game netcode never authenticates every action the client makes. It would be a completely laggy mess with unresponsiveness and desync/rubber banding. The netcode has to make a compromise between what the server should authenticate and what the client handles for a comfortable experience. This also has less to do with the server tickrate, and more with latency to the server. There's a reason why many korean mmos that get ported to the west have terrible pvp or multiplayer experience, and it's because the game was designed in Korea or Japan where the ping is <20ms because their regions are small and the internet infrastructure is very developed. This is why a game that plays smoothly in those regions plays like trash in NA because of excessive server checks with bad ping. I agree that FFXIV needs more server checks in many areas, but given that they're too cheap to even invest time/money in a higher server tickrate, that seems unlikely. The real solution is to implement client-side anticheat so that the client is protected from memory manipulation, like literally every other live game service in existence. For some reason, the ffixiv community is up and arms about it to a point that it weirds me out. Something something root access something something my parsers and mods. *shrug* Also, you talked about certain addons like visual mods being fine. The problem with that, other than opening a ugly can of worms for squeenix to maintain and check what mods are whitelisted, is that from an anticheat perspective it doesn't really distinguish between them, to my knowledge, bc I'm not very familiar with this area.

[NekoMataMata]

I've noticed 3 posts today in threads I just so happened to be reading where you did the same thing.

When did I admit to being on the lookout for your posts? And never mind that last comment before where you assume everything about me oh so wrong.

If you do nothing but assume the position of someone who is accusing you of assuming. . . I don't even need to finish that sentence.

So I'm going to start off by saying I can't prove you quoting me repeatedly because there's a suspicious amount of deleted posts on your end, and despite how close they are to mine and how I remember then that's not significant proof. I didn't take screenshots, nor are the threads backed up anywhere else. It's actually saddening to realize that it's something I'd have to do at this point too.

There's a handful of assumptions on my part and I'm willing to admit it. You never outright said you were looking for my posts, and I'm sure there's other things. It sure feels like it, but you never said it so that's whatever. There's plenty on your side though, and you've admitted that you come to the forums for the sake of being contrarian.

When you act the way that you do then people get tired of it, the lines blur and people assume that you're acting in bad faith. There's a reason I've needed multiple forum breaks when the likes of yourself, Stormpeaks and others have repeatedly made these forums and the discussions within them into more of a war where you attempt to tire out, irritate and force others in the conversations to submit and quit, rather than having a discussion in good faith.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Wearing hats on viera is the same as cheating in fall guys, got it. /s

Oh no, not at all.

Players actually asked for hats on Viera.

[Themarvin]

I wonder why, that SE does not enforce the use of their own launcher, it will fix alot of problems, it is not like cosmetic addons is bad, however when it is actual game changing features and more to it such as walking underground teleporting around anywhere on the map, then there is a problem.

Also if all the Bard Bot Bands is worried for a change to forced launcher, then SE could just permit multiboxing with passive gain, and since it would be on their own software, they can strike directly hard onto cheaters as well, og bots going for the goldselling market alone due to what could permit to script for in it.

It is bad that SE allow the use of third party launchers as it is.

[Absurdity]

I wonder why, that SE does not enforce the use of their own launcher, it will fix alot of problems, it is not like cosmetic addons is bad, however when it is actual game changing features and more to it such as walking underground teleporting around anywhere on the map, then there is a problem.

Also if all the Bard Bot Bands is worried for a change to forced launcher, then SE could just permit multiboxing with passive gain, and since it would be on their own software, they can strike directly hard onto cheaters as well, og bots going for the goldselling market alone due to what could permit to script for in it.

It is bad that SE allow the use of third party launchers as it is.

Funnily enough none of your examples actually apply to the custom launcher. Cheat tools to teleport require more than just client-side manipulation which, after a cursory glance, the launcher can't do and the bard player is an entirely standalone tool.
So enforcing the default SE launcher would fix neither the more blatant cheating, the kind that bots under the ground use, nor the bard bot bands.