You're a Disgrace

[NekoMataMata]

I actually agreed with that post you just showed and I said I would do the same because of the same issues that person mentioned, aka I'd turn a blind eye and wouldnt care, and I still stand by this now, as I mentioned just now, I will gladly condemn it once those issues are fixed.

Being on a different continent should not mean you are entirely excluded from winning a limited time event or reaching an achievement for it.

Yeah, of course you're outright denying it.

You disagreed with my post and attacked it. Again, shame I don't have screenshots because this is just going to end up being a moment of my word against yours.

Update: Yes, yes. You've been saying most of that since the beginning, but it does not change the fact that you were overly aggressive about the cheating earlier on and you actively defended someone's comments stating that cheating was alright.

It's a shame, because right now you're attempting to appear very reasonable, and many, many people will fall for this, but give it time and you'll be back to your old opinions again.

Edit: Have some logic. Storm admits that said discussion took place. We know the forum mods removed the post. Why would they do so? Naturally they'd remove my response to the post that stated that it was okay to cheat as I had quoted that post. They had no obligations to remove my discussion with Stormpeaks though. They don't remove posts casually discussing the ToS really. It's likely they removed the entire discussion because Stormpeaks was defending the cheating and breaking the ToS due to their usual stance of SE not doing enough for the game. Regardless of how Storm believes it came out, it was clearly supported ToS violations, and therefore removed.

[Stormpeaks]

Yeah, of course you're outright denying it.

You disagreed with my post and attacked it. Again, shame I don't have screenshots because this is just going to end up being a moment of my word against yours.

I'll say again what I said in my previous post because we reached a new page and you only responded a tiny snippet, I edited it a few times

I actually agreed with that post you just showed and I said I would do the same because of the same issues that person mentioned, aka I'd turn a blind eye and wouldnt care, and I still stand by this now, as I mentioned just now, I will gladly condemn it once those issues are fixed.

Being on a different continent should not mean you are entirely excluded from winning a limited time event or reaching an achievement for it.

Do I think what is happening is bad ? Absolutely

Do I think it could have been avoided ? Yes, if SE fixed their netcode issues and the server tick problems and also fixed other mentioned issues on the forums regarding the event, it would have been.

It's just too easy to call out "muh bad cheaters" when the system was unfair from day 1, technically, someone closer to the NA servers is literally cheating compared to someone on the other side of the US, in South America or in the EU in regards to NA worlds.

And to expand on what I mean, this entire event is an absolute joke, the fact only one person wins out of 23 (no 2nd or 3rd place and such) WILL by default encourage people to cheat/use exploits, that's just how it is, that aint me condoning it, I am just saying that this game mode is made that way, it's "win or lose", there's no "you placed 2nd, here's X as reward".

There are so many issues with the fairness of this gamemode, even aside of the netcode and server tick, that this was bound to happen under these conditions, it just was, this entire event is a mess and in all honesty is a complete failure.

Update: Yes, yes. You've been saying most of that since the beginning, but it does not change the fact that you were overly aggressive about the cheating earlier on and you actively defended someone's comments stating that cheating was alright.

It aint about it being alright, as I said multiple times I dont condone it, but I can understand why people do it, it's actually that simple, it aint about me saying "woooooooo use it guys it's amazing and easy !!!", it's about saying "this game mode is absolutely unfair and I understand why they do it, even more so if they are in a different region/continent than the servers they play on (like myself).

It's a shame, because right now you're attempting to appear very reasonable, and many, many people will fall for this, but give it time and you'll be back to your old opinions again.

What "old opinion" ? lol, this has been my opinion since day 1 of this event when I saw it turn from fun to an actual mess in the first 2 hours.

[Saraide]

Ah yes, the "all plugins are evil" stance.
Completely ignoring the totally coincidental increased pace at getting QoL changes when plugin use became widespread. Like numbers on buffs/debuffs in the party list, or damage types being shown on flying text, to name a few.

No u dont get it, viera hat users are the problem! /s

[Stormpeaks]

Yeah, of course you're outright denying it.

You disagreed with my post and attacked it. Again, shame I don't have screenshots because this is just going to end up being a moment of my word against yours.

Update: Yes, yes. You've been saying most of that since the beginning, but it does not change the fact that you were overly aggressive about the cheating earlier on and you actively defended someone's comments stating that cheating was alright.

It's a shame, because right now you're attempting to appear very reasonable, and many, many people will fall for this, but give it time and you'll be back to your old opinions again.

Edit: Have some logic. Storm admits that said discussion took place. We know the forum mods removed the post. Why would they do so? Naturally they'd remove my response to the post that stated that it was okay to cheat as I had quoted that post. They had no obligations to remove my discussion with Stormpeaks though. They don't remove posts casually discussing the ToS really. It's likely they removed the entire discussion because Stormpeaks was defending the cheating and breaking the ToS due to their usual stance of SE not doing enough for the game. Regardless of how Storm believes it came out, it was clearly supported ToS violations, and therefore removed.

Uh I think you are misunderstanding me, granted my wording wasnt the best

I actually agreed with that post you just showed and I said I would do the same

Is my wording

in regards to

turn a blind eye

I do not care about any of the achievements in this game, they are absolutely worthless really, but yes, I personally dont care if they do it, that's my personal opinion.

[Absurdity]

...
People be making some mods and sh*t for this sillygoofy event?

There's a 100 wins title achievement attached to a janky time-limited minigame, of course someone is going to make a 3rd party tool for it.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Yeah, of course you're outright denying it.

You disagreed with my post and attacked it. Again, shame I don't have screenshots because this is just going to end up being a moment of my word against yours.

Update: Yes, yes. You've been saying most of that since the beginning, but it does not change the fact that you were overly aggressive about the cheating earlier on and you actively defended someone's comments stating that cheating was alright.

It's a shame, because right now you're attempting to appear very reasonable, and many, many people will fall for this, but give it time and you'll be back to your old opinions again.

Edit: Have some logic. Storm admits that said discussion took place. We know the forum mods removed the post. Why would they do so? Naturally they'd remove my response to the post that stated that it was okay to cheat as I had quoted that post. They had no obligations to remove my discussion with Stormpeaks though. They don't remove posts casually discussing the ToS really. It's likely they removed the entire discussion because Stormpeaks was defending the cheating and breaking the ToS due to their usual stance of SE not doing enough for the game. Regardless of how Storm believes it came out, it was clearly supported ToS violations, and therefore removed.

I read all this in a Karen voice.
I don't care who's right or wrong but it seems like someone pooped in your cereal.

Also you clearly don't look at old threads often. Any mention of 3rd party tools generally does get deleted over time since wouldn't you know it, it's against TOS.
I mean I've had multiple of my own posts deleted that were harmless so it's really not all too much of a "gotcha!" moment.

[Connor]

People who use illegal mods to complete a virtual mini game are pathetic and should be shown no mercy.

Why pay for a sub so you can pay for a mod play for you, makes no sense lol

[ChrysOCE]

Anyone who is caught cheating, should be banned. Do I have faith that CBU3 can actually do that? Not really.
How do you design a contest and have, on the parcel delivery map, the parcels and delivery zones interactive before the map starts? Surely, you would have the pickup/dropoff zones active only after the round starts?
Surely, you would have defined zones and, if you are out of bounds, you get kicked from the round? Surely, there must be some way to go... huh, this character position isn't valid, something is off.
But, this whole mess is on CBU3. They programmed this and set up the environment. So, to that point of Stormpeaks view, I can't say I disagree. And now, no doubt, some players who are cheating are just trying to level the playing field. I don't blame them as much as I blame CBU3.

[Avoidy]

I'm starting to wonder if this is one of the main reasons that MMOs are slowly dying in popularity.

Those who prefer to play by the rules are getting tired of playing games with cheaters and feeling pressured to cheat themselves because of the unfair advantages that cheating offers.

Cheaters getting tired of being harassed over cheating in "just a game" when they can go to a single player game and cheat as much as they want without comment.

Personally, I don't see the point of cheating because it's just an admission that you can't achieve things through your own efforts. I also rolleyes at those who use the "I just cheat through the boring parts" excuse. If it's boring, why are you even playing? Do things that aren't boring instead.

Most of all, I don't let the actions of cheaters bother me. Dumb people are going to do dumb things. No point in getting upset over it.

If that's a reason people are leaving the genre, it's probably one of the smaller ones. The major issue for most people, I think, is the insane time investment required to get to "the fun part of the game." Other MMOs try to remedy this and accidentally devalue the game's sense of accomplishment. It's a tricky issue to solve. XIV has like.... a 300 hour main story quest to chug through before you can start doing Expert roulette with your friends, and even though we all know Expert roulette SUCKS, it sucks even more to hear your friends ask "anyone wanna do expert??" and you can't join them because you're still in post-ARR. Ain't unique to XIV either. Black Desert's gotten better about helping people gear up, but eventually you do hit a wall where progression takes an eternity and if you want to be competitive you need to basically suck it up and grind a LOT to hit that endpoint.

Meanwhile, there's this endless slew of shallow mobile games that let you just jump in and have fun without wasting 300 hours of your life first, AND you can play them anywhere, anytime! To add to this, most MMOs that exist nowadays suck ass, and there aren't many more on the horizon because they're expensive to produce and perceived as a risky investment. I could go on but eh w/e. I agree with your final assessment in any case; since cbu3 won't bother curbing the cheating, all you can do is try not to let it bother you. Sure, you might want that title a lot, but just accept that if you didn't get it in the first week or so, you probably never will unless you actively cheat or become part of a slightly smaller problem by fishing for empty lobbies. At this point, anyone who earned the title legitimately should be livid, because the whole thing's a meme now and anyone with the title looks like a sad sad little dude who cheated at bloody fall guys of all things, lmao

[Kuroka]

Anyone who is caught cheating, should be banned. Do I have faith that CBU3 can actually do that? Not really.
How do you design a contest and have, on the parcel delivery map, the parcels and delivery zones interactive before the map starts? Surely, you would have the pickup/dropoff zones active only after the round starts?
Surely, you would have defined zones and, if you are out of bounds, you get kicked from the round? Surely, there must be some way to go... huh, this character position isn't valid, something is off. .

I just dont get it why?? Why arent the traps active from start? Why can you even just fly? Why doesnt the server auto ban everyone moving before the start?? We others see if someone does that... so the server sees it, the client takes the info as well and they go "oh sure hes up there in the air, not walking but levitating towards the goal, before everyone should be able to move, clearing 10+ seconds before its physically possible... WE SEE NO PROBLEM THERE."


Tbh i might not even add such things and just wait a few weeks while logging everyone doing that and THEN ban all the cheaters, permanently.

It would not stop em but some might reconsider if they can never know if a hack is safe...


I just cant wrap my head around it, thats not even anti-cheat, just common sense...

Meanwhile, there's this endless slew of shallow mobile games that let you just jump in and have fun without wasting 300 hours of your life first, AND you can play them anywhere, anytime! To add to this, most MMOs that exist nowadays suck ass, and there aren't many more on the horizon because they're expensive to produce and perceived as a risky investment.

I still think if you dont like having this much story now, youre just on the wrong game... id love to replay it all over now, but ACTUALLY replay it, not the speedrun a new player nowadays has.

And neither experts not raids are everything. theres so much other roulettes you could do... if only they'd have been smart enough to either make an easy lv 50 roulette version of the coil or just turning castrum into an raid, so you dont have to wait til Alexander...


I do believe its not all that great to want "ALL THE PLAYERS" in your game as the bigger your masses are, the more spread out the wishes and desires become, the less you can fulfill em.