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  1. 11-05-2023 11:58 PM #1
    Payadopa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    It wasn't about min-maxing at all. It's about how upon learning Summon Phoenix you immediately became weaker because Bahamut->Pheonix was objectively weaker than Bahamut->Bahamut, and this isn't a min-maxing issue (because there is no choice involved) but a "leveling up should never make you weaker" issue.


    That is exactly what min-maxing is. And you didn't get weaker. You got a heal with it. And as I said before, min-maxers throw a tamper tantrum because less DPS bad. That is the issue and one of the reasons why jobs are as bland as they are.
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  2. 11-06-2023 12:06 AM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    That is exactly what min-maxing is. And you didn't get weaker. You got a heal with it. And as I said before, min-maxers throw a tamper tantrum because less DPS bad. That is the issue and one of the reasons why jobs are as bland as they are.
    No, min maxing means you have a choice. Getting Phoenix doesn't give you a choice, therefore, no min maxing has been done. This is the whole reason Phoenix was buffed fairly quickly, to make it equal to Bahamut, so that you don't do less just by levelling.
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