DSR PLD/WAR is the worst tank comp in the fight

[os12ispeak]

Lack of Magical Mitigation: Warriors and Paladins are traditionally considered more focused on physical damage mitigation rather than magical damage. If "Dragonsong's Reprise (Ultimate)" features a significant amount of magical damage or mechanics that require strong magical mitigation, a combination of two physical-focused tanks like warrior and paladin may struggle to handle such mechanics effectively.

Limited Utility: The combination of warrior and paladin might be perceived as lacking in terms of utility and support compared to other tank compositions. Other tank classes, like Dark Knight and Gunbreaker, often bring unique utility skills that can be highly beneficial in challenging content.

Synergy and Cooldowns: Effective tank compositions often rely on the synergy between the tank classes and their cooldowns. If warrior and paladin have overlapping cooldowns or their cooldowns don't complement each other well, it can lead to inefficient use of defensive abilities, making it harder to survive certain mechanics.

https://imgur.com/weaHpHu I will be making a mit doc on this class very shortly.

[Jeeqbit]

I have an idea! Let's homogenize all the jobs so that all of them are a great comp. See, this is the problem with complaining about certain comps having a deficiency. It can lead the developers into the train of thought of further homogenization. It's better to think of them like a pure healer and a barrier healer. You can have two barrier tanks.

I personally prefer PLD/WAR party mitigation because it has a shield that absorbs damage before any HP is even taken away, while GNB/DRK just reduce the incoming damage by 10% which often helps with survival, but doesn't feel as good to me. Add to that how there is a regen.

As for them being physical tanks, that is no longer true. PLD's blocks and sheltron were improved to block magic, while WAR's parry on Raw Intuition was changed to flat mitigation and its physical defense buff, Foresight, was removed. So if we get their versions of Dark Mind, which are Thrill of Battle and Bulwark, it is fair to say both of these work against magic.

In contrast, GNB still has some parry on its version of Dark Mind.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Didn't you already make a thread on this? Why another one.

[yoshinoharu]

Lack of Magical Mitigation: Warriors and Paladins are traditionally considered more focused on physical damage mitigation rather than magical damage. If "Dragonsong's Reprise (Ultimate)" features a significant amount of magical damage or mechanics that require strong magical mitigation, a combination of two physical-focused tanks like warrior and paladin may struggle to handle such mechanics effectively.

How... is this true? Shake is a shield + regen that works against all types of damage and scales off of eating other cooldowns. Veil is ALSO a shield + regen. Last time I checked shields aren't really better suited towards physical over magical? Personal cooldowns are all flat damage reduction as well. Blood Whetting is Shield + Flat Mit + Leech. Sheltron is a double-stack of flat mit and is arguably stronger than other 30s cooldowns in exchange for gauge expenditure and shorter duration.

Just because GNB and DRK mitigations specify magic damage doesn't mean that PLD and WAR are better suited towards physical damage, it just means that two tanks give shields that work against all damage while two tanks give mit that works exclusively on magic damage.

Limited Utility: The combination of warrior and paladin might be perceived as lacking in terms of utility and support compared to other tank compositions. Other tank classes, like Dark Knight and Gunbreaker, often bring unique utility skills that can be highly beneficial in challenging content.

I'm also unsure of what you mean by added utility here...?

GNB has Aurora and Corundum that can go onto other targets and HoL.

DRK has TBN and Oblation that can go onto other targets and DM. Also an additional 1-minute magic-exclusive cooldown in the form of Dark Mind, so I can see a little bit of extra tools there.

PLD has Intervention and Cover for other players at the cost of gauge, an additional AOE mitigation in the form of passage, an additional personal cooldown in the form of bulwark, and on top of that Intervention can be buffed into what is effectively a rampart for the target player if rampart or sentinel is rolling.

WAR probably has the least utility as Nascent offers some light protection and healing, but Shake can be buffed to be extraordinarily powerful if you feed it cooldowns. Beyond this, proper use of Thrill and Equilibrium can actually save healers some tools. WAR's biggest utility though is the ridiculously short cooldown of Holmgang. in DSR, they are the only job that can actually just invuln the first set of busters in phase 5 and have it up in time for Cauterize, giving them the ability to save literally all of their cooldowns for double dragons.

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[yoshinoharu]

Synergy and Cooldowns: Effective tank compositions often rely on the synergy between the tank classes and their cooldowns. If warrior and paladin have overlapping cooldowns or their cooldowns don't complement each other well, it can lead to inefficient use of defensive abilities, making it harder to survive certain mechanics.

This can be said about any tank comp. You can just as easily overlap Missionary and HoL as Shake and Veil. You can just as easily over-mit with any tank.

Honestly, I think that every tank has their pros and cons and all of them can and do work fine as long as players understand their kit and utilize it properly.

[AnnRam]

You can always unsub and move on from Yoshida game.

[LioJen]

I think it's okay for not every job to be the best at every fight. Some fights are better for WAR, some are better for DRK. We can have every class on one character, so it pays to explore more than one.

[yoshinoharu]

Also, there's already an optimized mit sheet that exists within the ultimate community for every possible tank combination.

[os12ispeak]

wrong the mit sheet is not optimized at all the makers of the sheet even admit this

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

WAR is a tank focused on high HP and HP recovery. It has the shortest invuln cooldown that, as others pointed out, allows them to stack mitigation elsewhere. All of their cooldowns work against all damage types.

PLD is a tank focused on %-type mitigation and specializes in double-buster mitigation with Intervention when afforded. The weakness it has is 7min on their invuln ability and Bulwark (Block) not working against Damage over Time status effects. Barring this, all of their cooldowns work against all damage types.


os12ispeak, I am not sure where you read or interpreted that WAR and PLD focus on physical mitigation but I urge you to fact-check your sources.