Criterion savage rewards still suck

[Colt47]

On that comment about Bozja being a better formula: I agree on it.

The community that plays FFXIV largely plays in a solo capacity even during group content and it is very rare to find individuals that really collaborate in content. Perhaps its a cultural thing with the US, but the majority of people that I have met that are doing savage largely view each other as silent bodies that are there to do mechanics. They don't really care about the other person, nor want to engage in any kind of conversation with them even if the fight is complex or difficult. Instead they usually want everyone to have watched a video, read the description, and then silently go on to what they have to do to try and clear the fight. This behavior extended to even situations where the other person was having health issues or even having life changing events: A static that is coming together to clear content removed a player who had COVID and was hospitalized for a week because he missed multiple days: He came back afterwards and then after one day of trying to prog post hospitalization he was removed. Another case that I've experienced personally is losing a family member and then after losing two or three days of prog, got removed from the group.

So the question I've got is why savage criterion is going to be any different from the normal 8 man savage in this regard? If everyone is primarily playing a solo game and just views each other as bodies, which is the nature of this, it feels like the developers are dancing on a knife edge that just isn't worth dealing with. A single slip on the festering wound leads to the toxicity that flows onto the forums and reddit, and those slip ups can be simply making a fight too hard and then not addressing that problem (as with this tier), or giving insufficient reward for the difficulty they have imposed, without perhaps a proper way to deliver what is asked for due to the nature of the game and the balance they want to enforce.

I think that savage and criterion savage are quality content. But I do not think that this content was built with the kind of culture that exists and very few people are capable of handling the content. When someone has trouble handling the content or runs into others that do the complete lack of a social contract causes things to get a touch out of hand.

[RaideDuku]

Have variant/criterion dungeons come out on
.1, .3, .5 patches.

1. Move materia to variant dungeon rewards. There are already several other ways to get battle materia easier then Criterion. Would give a reason (albeit a small one) to run it repeatedly.

2. Armor sets for each combat role in normal criterion. If criterion is the replacement for exploratory zones, and they each had at least 3 sets of suits, then there's no reason they cant have a set for each role in each normal Criterion. Level the same as current savage.

3. Add twines, shines, and brines to normal Criterion rewards.

4. Assuming above is all done, then 2nd tome weapon upgrade item is acceptable, since you can get the 1st upgrade in normal, it works better. Having to do a savage to get a savage weapon to get another savage weapon is dumb.

5. Throw another mount into savage crit awards. You can get one at the end of normal savage, why not here? Just a housing item is really meh at best

[Caseal]

why do so many people who never cleared a criterion savage claim eith such confidence that "it's boring because it's the same mechanics as criterion"?

[Saraide]

why do so many people who never cleared a criterion savage claim eith such confidence that "it's boring because it's the same mechanics as criterion"?

Is it not the same mechanics?

[Caseal]

Is it not the same mechanics?

what
are you purposely trying to misinterpret what I said or did you only read half of the post?

[Saraide]

what
are you purposely trying to misinterpret what I said or did you only read half of the post?

Is it not just the same fights but with whacky alignments and no death? That doesnt sound terribly interesting as further step. What am I missing?

[Caseal]

Is it not just the same fights but with whacky alignments and no death? That doesnt sound terribly interesting as further step. What am I missing?

you're missing the fact that you havent even gotten past ketuduke and are already claiming it's boring

[Saraide]

you're missing the fact that you havent even gotten past ketuduke and are already claiming it's boring

What? I have seen all of the bosses and I dont think the difficulty increase from savage makes it more interesting. I think it's a very cheap increase.

[Hysterior]

You get better rewards in the Fall Guys event.

[Absurdity]

I don't even need to have played the content if I can just take the content I have been doing, let's take P4S for example, and extrapolate from there that doing the exact same fight, P4S, but not being allowed to die, would somehow make it more interesting.
Not dying is the assumed standard.