Thread: Patch 6.51 patch notes discussion

I’m so confused by the PvP changes. Why the hell did they delay the changes, new area etc for months and this is why?!

Some minor Sage changes that will make absolutely no difference to anything, Ninja got a buff for absolutely no reason (isn’t it already super strong with Seiton Tenchu? Well I guess it’s stronger now lol.) Paladin got some extra sustain, again absolutely no idea why lol. Isn’t Hallowed Ground and Cover enough?

Idk feel like they’re either playing a completely different game than everyone else, or they’re literally just throwing darts at a board to decide who gets what buffs

The new criterion stuff is absolute nonsense lol. Get a glamour weapon that’s worse than your raid weapon except you need a raid weapon to complete it…you can get a Blue Mage weapon…except Blue Mage literally is incapable of undertaking the content. Again, it’s like they’ve thrown darts at a board to decide what the content gets; I guess they forgot to remove the ‘blue Mage weapon’ section lol

Originally Posted by Connor

I’m so confused by the PvP changes. Why the hell did they delay the changes, new area etc for months and this is why?!

Some minor Sage changes that will make absolutely no difference to anything, Ninja got a buff for absolutely no reason (isn’t it already super strong with Seiton Tenchu? Well I guess it’s stronger now lol.) Paladin got some extra sustain, again absolutely no idea why lol. Isn’t Hallowed Ground and Cover enough?

Idk feel like they’re either playing a completely different game than everyone else, or they’re literally just throwing darts at a board to decide who gets what buffs

The new criterion stuff is absolute nonsense lol. Get a glamour weapon that’s worse than your raid weapon except you need a raid weapon to complete it…you can get a Blue Mage weapon…except Blue Mage literally is incapable of undertaking the content. Again, it’s like they’ve thrown darts at a board to decide what the content gets; I guess they forgot to remove the ‘blue Mage weapon’ section lol

And no nerfs to DRK and AST in frontlines
Woah

Originally Posted by Connor

I’m so confused by the PvP changes. Why the hell did they delay the changes, new area etc for months and this is why?!

Some minor Sage changes that will make absolutely no difference to anything, Ninja got a buff for absolutely no reason (isn’t it already super strong with Seiton Tenchu? Well I guess it’s stronger now lol.) Paladin got some extra sustain, again absolutely no idea why lol. Isn’t Hallowed Ground and Cover enough?

Idk feel like they’re either playing a completely different game than everyone else, or they’re literally just throwing darts at a board to decide who gets what buffs

I believe the changes were delayed until after the London Fanfest to not disrupt any perceived balance and strats too soon before their tournament.

If you read the small footnotes for their PvP adjustments every time they shift potencies/change abilities, they usually give short (and often unsatisfying) explanations to why they change what they change. 80% of the time it's: "this job has lower winrates than the others, we feel like this is the problem, so this should help." For the PvP balance team, winrates seem to be king (followed by how satisfied Yoshi-P is with his precious BLM's power) in terms of what jobs are getting buffed or a nerf. They seem absolutely terrified of over-buffing anything all at once, so most of the time their adjustments are usually in baby-steps like these where you're not sure anything was done at all.

The NIN buff is really just giving their ground puddle slightly more damage to actually be worth being used more; the Seiton Tenchu non-less-than-50%-damage "buff" seems almost useless as the whole point of their LB is to eliminate anyone you can catch/drop under 50% without them healing back up quick enough- If the person isn't below 50% to die from it, 12,000 from 10,000 isn't going to make much of a difference. Clearly, the person team in charge of PvP balance doesn't consider them "super strong" as they said their usage and winrates have dropped "across all tiers."