No New MMO Yet From Square? Why Havent They Seized The Moment?

[Mcg55ss]

I cant speak for anything else in that list but WoW



Is extremely false actually, but you do you lol.

WoW retail has been very stable this expansion, one of the most stable ever if anything and the player retention is actually good.

https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-war...zzard-2217897/



Which also has been proven by subscriber numbers on various websites.

No one knows subscriber numbers and WoW doesn't separate sub numbers so WTF are you talking about. Player retention doesn't mean much when your game was at its LOWEST point after last expansion basically if they stayed through that disaster they probably aren't leaving, retail has a huge amount of raid loggers vs classic doesn't and classic seems to have a tighter community because of the nature of the game over retail. Both will have rises and falls but the biggest difference is retail can go play classic on top of retail, classic cannot play retail unless they buy the expansion. WoW forums pretty much is agreeance that classic is the more popular titles atm mainly due to its hardcore server being about 2 months old, now will it last probably not. Just like everything it iwll have huge influx slowly die off the level at a certain point.

[Reimmi]

I cant speak for anything else in that list but WoW



Is extremely false actually, but you do you lol.

WoW retail has been very stable this expansion, one of the most stable ever if anything and the player retention is actually good.

https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-war...zzard-2217897/



Which also has been proven by subscriber numbers on various websites.

Kinda sad that all it took was an above average expansion for them to come crawling back lol
i played it on launch and really wasn't impressed as someone who's played since 2005, it was just the same old same old

[Absurdity]

Kinda sad that all it took was an above average expansion for them to come crawling back lol
i played it on launch and really wasn't impressed as someone who's played since 2005, it was just the same old same old

I'm not surprised, since that's exactly what people were asking for. No borrowed power, return to proper talent trees, fun side activities, longterm grinds that are however completely optional, basically just what older expansions offered but with a new twist to them.
Their rework to crafting also actually allows crafters to make endgame viable gear.

[Araxes]

Because MMO's are on a downhill path. Every MMO is struggling to maintain players. !Good! Single player games with no additional purchases and no platform restrictions are on the rise currently.

[Espon]

Why would they invest money in developing a new MMORPG when FF14 is still very profitable and beating out all the other MMORPGs available? They would just be competing with themselves and would ultimately lose money to development costs. Sure they could produce something better, but what ultimately matters in the long run is what would be more profitable and so it's in their best interests to continue milking FF14 for now.

[Jeeqbit]

being built on the old Crystal Engine and extremely limited by it

There is no evidence for that claim. FF16 is built on the same engine as far as we know and the graphics are a million times better. They limit it all on purpose so that it can work on consoles and on PC take into account average GPUs and that it has to work for a varying number of players and their activities such as attacks and glamours.

They showed a picture of how realistic they could make character faces and then said it will be this toned down version instead in case there are hundreds of players in the area.

But the graphics are being upgraded to 1080p with better shaders aiming for a 2060 GPU for max settings. The new expansion will have more polygons but they still limit them on purpose so that nothing has more polygons than something else, which was a problem in 1.0 where some models looked more detailed than others and seemed out of place.

They do have all these issues with physical servers, such as carrying items with you from one server to another. Given they are testing cloud servers soon, they could be used to eliminate many of those issues. Because I believe many of those issues are not related to the engine, but rather the fact they use physical servers instead of cloud servers and have the task of physically transferring data to other physical servers, something that cloud servers have worked out already.

why haven't we seen SE seize the moment?

Because whether people like it or not, that is clearly their aim with FFXIV.

The market is ready for a new major MMO to take the scene and corner the market for the next 10 years.

Maybe and obviously the new MMORPGs with extremely realistic graphics have changed people's perspective on what the future top MMORPG will be but have any of them really lasted? We will just have to see there.

[Swordsman]

I'm curious to know why Square hasn't positioned itself to take over the mmo market with a new MMO yet. With FF14 being built on the old Crystal Engine and extremely limited by it, and with all the lessons learned from 10+ years of development on it, and with a large portion of the MMO community at large focused on Square, why haven't we seen SE seize the moment?

The market is ready for a new major MMO to take the scene and corner the market for the next 10 years.

WoW is in decline, classic is more popular than retail, and will continue to be so.
ESO is forgettable.
BDO / Korean MMOs dont fare well in the west because nobody wants to gamble/p2w
GW2 has all but died out, with no hope that arenanet makes a GW3
All the alpha mmos (CU, Pantheon, Ashes) are nothing more than vaporware for 7+ years


The time is now, and it baffles me why square hasn't took the initiative to secure the market with a well made, competent mmo that's running on an updated engine with the lessons they've learned from ff14.

I fear they are, or have already lost the initiative to really secure a large dynasty mmo, and as records show, competently made mmos are one of the most secure forms of profit available to gaming companies.

Risk vs. reward. Why would SE risk large amounts of capital on creating a new MMO which might not succeed when they can milk the current FFXIV playerbase for everything they're worth? All SE has to do is release a new glam or a mount and FFXIV players will be scrambling over each other to be the first ones to purchase it. No need for SE to make another MMO when they can already rake in the cash like this. TLDR: SE firmly believes in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[ForteNightshade]

Risk vs. reward. Why would SE risk large amounts of capital on creating a new MMO which might not succeed when they can milk the current FFXIV playerbase for everything they're worth? All SE has to do is release a new glam or a mount and FFXIV players will be scrambling over each other to be the first ones to purchase it. No need for SE to make another MMO when they can already rake in the cash like this. TLDR: SE firmly believes in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

This is the current answer. FFXIV just saw the largest surge of players in its history this expansion. There is zero incentive whatsoever to invest in a new MMO that will likely cost hundreds of millions with no guarantee they'll convince the existing FFXIV playerbase to move over. Even announcing a new FF MMO basically signals to people that FFXIV won't see as much attention. So even on the off chance they are considering a third FF MMO, we're not going to hear a single word about it for at least another 5-6 years.

[Swordsman]

with no guarantee they'll convince the existing FFXIV playerbase to move over.

Yeah, this too. Some of the more diehard fans have probably sunk tens of thousands of hours into this game as well as hundreds of dollars into glams and mounts. They'll probably be hesitant to abandon that all unless SE allows some things to transfer over.

Even announcing a new FF MMO basically signals to people that FFXIV won't see as much attention.

I can actually see some FFXIV players even opposing the idea of a new SE MMO because that means their favorite game will no longer be on SE's pedestal

[WeebPolice]

Yeah, this too. Some of the more diehard fans have probably sunk tens of thousands of hours into this game as well as hundreds of dollars into glams and mounts. They'll probably be hesitant to abandon that all unless SE allows some things to transfer over.

My guess is they won't, citizen. Why let players transfer old items to the new MMO when Square can just have them spend more by making them buy all new items? That sounds like something Square would do.




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