No New MMO Yet From Square? Why Havent They Seized The Moment?

[yaba_gabagool]

I'm curious to know why Square hasn't positioned itself to take over the mmo market with a new MMO yet. With FF14 being built on the old Crystal Engine and extremely limited by it, and with all the lessons learned from 10+ years of development on it, and with a large portion of the MMO community at large focused on Square, why haven't we seen SE seize the moment?

The market is ready for a new major MMO to take the scene and corner the market for the next 10 years.

WoW is in decline, classic is more popular than retail, and will continue to be so.
ESO is forgettable.
BDO / Korean MMOs dont fare well in the west because nobody wants to gamble/p2w
GW2 has all but died out, with no hope that arenanet makes a GW3
All the alpha mmos (CU, Pantheon, Ashes) are nothing more than vaporware for 7+ years


The time is now, and it baffles me why square hasn't took the initiative to secure the market with a well made, competent mmo that's running on an updated engine with the lessons they've learned from ff14.

I fear they are, or have already lost the initiative to really secure a large dynasty mmo, and as records show, competently made mmos are one of the most secure forms of profit available to gaming companies.

[Stormpeaks]

I'm curious to know why Square hasn't positioned itself to take over the mmo market with a new MMO yet. With FF14 being built on the old Crystal Engine and extremely limited by it, and with all the lessons learned from 10+ years of development on it, and with a large portion of the MMO community at large focused on Square, why haven't we seen SE seize the moment?

The market is ready for a new major MMO to take the scene and corner the market for the next 10 years.

WoW is in decline, classic is more popular than retail, and will continue to be so.
ESO is forgettable.
BDO / Korean MMOs dont fare well in the west because nobody wants to gamble/p2w
GW2 has all but died out, with no hope that arenanet makes a GW3
All the alpha mmos (CU, Pantheon, Ashes) are nothing more than vaporware for 7+ years


The time is now, and it baffles me why square hasn't took the initiative to secure the market with a well made, competent mmo that's running on an updated engine with the lessons they've learned from ff14.

I fear they are, or have already lost the initiative to really secure a large dynasty mmo, and as records show, competently made mmos are one of the most secure forms of profit available to gaming companies.

I cant speak for anything else in that list but WoW

WoW is in decline, classic is more popular than retail, and will continue to be so

Is extremely false actually, but you do you lol.

WoW retail has been very stable this expansion, one of the most stable ever if anything and the player retention is actually good.

https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-war...zzard-2217897/

The company noted as much when mentioning that “subscriber retention in the West remains higher than at the equivalent stage of recent Modern expansions.” It probably helps that WoW’s development team is “delivering more content faster than ever before.”

Which also has been proven by subscriber numbers on various websites.

[Araxes]

Because MMO's are on a downhill path. Every MMO is struggling to maintain players. !Good! Single player games with no additional purchases and no platform restrictions are on the rise currently.

[Espon]

Why would they invest money in developing a new MMORPG when FF14 is still very profitable and beating out all the other MMORPGs available? They would just be competing with themselves and would ultimately lose money to development costs. Sure they could produce something better, but what ultimately matters in the long run is what would be more profitable and so it's in their best interests to continue milking FF14 for now.

[Jeeqbit]

being built on the old Crystal Engine and extremely limited by it

There is no evidence for that claim. FF16 is built on the same engine as far as we know and the graphics are a million times better. They limit it all on purpose so that it can work on consoles and on PC take into account average GPUs and that it has to work for a varying number of players and their activities such as attacks and glamours.

They showed a picture of how realistic they could make character faces and then said it will be this toned down version instead in case there are hundreds of players in the area.

But the graphics are being upgraded to 1080p with better shaders aiming for a 2060 GPU for max settings. The new expansion will have more polygons but they still limit them on purpose so that nothing has more polygons than something else, which was a problem in 1.0 where some models looked more detailed than others and seemed out of place.

They do have all these issues with physical servers, such as carrying items with you from one server to another. Given they are testing cloud servers soon, they could be used to eliminate many of those issues. Because I believe many of those issues are not related to the engine, but rather the fact they use physical servers instead of cloud servers and have the task of physically transferring data to other physical servers, something that cloud servers have worked out already.

why haven't we seen SE seize the moment?

Because whether people like it or not, that is clearly their aim with FFXIV.

The market is ready for a new major MMO to take the scene and corner the market for the next 10 years.

Maybe and obviously the new MMORPGs with extremely realistic graphics have changed people's perspective on what the future top MMORPG will be but have any of them really lasted? We will just have to see there.

[Swordsman]

I'm curious to know why Square hasn't positioned itself to take over the mmo market with a new MMO yet. With FF14 being built on the old Crystal Engine and extremely limited by it, and with all the lessons learned from 10+ years of development on it, and with a large portion of the MMO community at large focused on Square, why haven't we seen SE seize the moment?

The market is ready for a new major MMO to take the scene and corner the market for the next 10 years.

WoW is in decline, classic is more popular than retail, and will continue to be so.
ESO is forgettable.
BDO / Korean MMOs dont fare well in the west because nobody wants to gamble/p2w
GW2 has all but died out, with no hope that arenanet makes a GW3
All the alpha mmos (CU, Pantheon, Ashes) are nothing more than vaporware for 7+ years


The time is now, and it baffles me why square hasn't took the initiative to secure the market with a well made, competent mmo that's running on an updated engine with the lessons they've learned from ff14.

I fear they are, or have already lost the initiative to really secure a large dynasty mmo, and as records show, competently made mmos are one of the most secure forms of profit available to gaming companies.

Risk vs. reward. Why would SE risk large amounts of capital on creating a new MMO which might not succeed when they can milk the current FFXIV playerbase for everything they're worth? All SE has to do is release a new glam or a mount and FFXIV players will be scrambling over each other to be the first ones to purchase it. No need for SE to make another MMO when they can already rake in the cash like this. TLDR: SE firmly believes in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[Ryskim]

There is no moment to seize.

At this point, a remake of FFXI seems more possible than an entirely new FF MMORPG.

[Nebelheim]

Having 3 mmo games is probably already hard for them to maintain they probably might not make a 4th one. They already have ff11 dragon quest 10 and ff14 even though ff11 is most likely in permanant maintenance mode now and dq10 is Japanese only it would still be hard to juggle the current mmo's and a 4th.

[Reap00]

I cant speak for anything else in that list but WoW



Is extremely false actually, but you do you lol.

WoW retail has been very stable this expansion, one of the most stable ever if anything and the player retention is actually good.

https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-war...zzard-2217897/



Which also has been proven by subscriber numbers on various websites.

WoW is absolute garbage through and through. Blizzard is a repulsive corporation and it shows constantly. I am sorry you didn't escape the indoctrination process.

[Nebelheim]

WoW is absolute garbage through and through. Blizzard is a repulsive corporation and it shows constantly. I am sorry you didn't escape the indoctrination process.

Just like Square Enix indoctrinated you to defend them at the mere mention of another mmo or someone says something about the game you don't like. World of warcraft is treated as the Voldemort "He who shall not be named" of the ff14 community and it's funny how tribalistic some people get over there favorite media. All games and companies can learn from one another and take ideas from other games/companies it creates competition.