Please stop hiding miqo'te ears (and other races') from certain head gear

[Xirean]

Which is a fair point, but that’s not what you said in your argument, the post I originally quoted you said “what’s the point of playing a fantasy race with cat ears if you don’t want to see the cat ears” which is a binary “either you have to support the cat ears or don’t play miqote”, I’m also in support of hide or or view depending on what you want and what the actual item is but binary statements that basically ignore people who play miqote for other reasons besides just the ears and tail is just pointless

That line you quoted was in response to someone playing a Hyur saying "I would prefer no ears at all". If you don't care about the cat ears, that's fine, but I'm going to give pushback to statements that imply removing the cat ears from others. The only scenario I would be ok with that is if toggles were added to have or not have those physical traits for gear or to have more options in character create to have or not have those traits.

“either you have to support the cat ears or don’t play miqote”,

This is partially along the lines of what I was trying to say. If you don't want those physical traits then why play the race? Baring toggles or unspoken tools, those are part of the character model. Taking them off effectively means you are just playing Hyur. So why not just play Hyur?

[Aco505]

Miqo'te ears are absolutely one of the reasons people play the race. It's strange to me that some would think otherwise. Of course, it's not the only one: the two eye types, the tails, the poses and emotes, the lore, etc... It's a bit of everything and it'll vary from player to player.

The main issue is how gear keeps deleting racial traits just because the developers stopped caring about it and sadly it's not only the ears: Endwalker is the first expansion, as far as I know, in which tails are hidden from some gear.

This kind of thing is terrible because it affects specific races and not others and because it limits aesthetic and glamor options. It's on the same level as viera and hrothgar still not having access to most headpieces. Why should these things be so limiting in a game where looks are one of its core aspects?

If players want to hide their tails or ears, then they should give us a toggle, not keep creating pieces that make it as if we didn't have them at all.

I also find it quite fascinating when comments against showing the ears are given by those who do not play the affected races. Why argue against something that doesn't affect you?

[HeyMcFly]

Miqo'te ears are absolutely one of the reasons people play the race. It's strange to me that some would think otherwise.

And there's nothing wrong with that; It's one of the main reasons I also love my miqo- and it's totally okay if someone's only reason for playing miqo is bc they have cat ears.

Honestly, does it really matter why someone plays this or that? The point is, dev team needs to stop designing gear that hides main features of a race. They should start designing capes to either be split above the tail or half length for tailed races. There are more options to designing capes than just 'long' which involves clipping tails, and we've seen some newer cosmetics that has tail friendly features so it's possible. I feel like they'd get praise for stepping outside of their comfort zone-

and imagine if they started designing gear to compliment Au Ra as well? Rather than just horns poking through everything.

[Mostly_Raxus]

That line you quoted was in response to someone playing a Hyur saying "I would prefer no ears at all". If you don't care about the cat ears, that's fine, but I'm going to give pushback to statements that imply removing the cat ears from others. The only scenario I would be ok with that is if toggles were added to have or not have those physical traits for gear or to have more options in character create to have or not have those traits.


This is partially along the lines of what I was trying to say. If you don't want those physical traits then why play the race? Baring toggles or unspoken tools, those are part of the character model. Taking them off effectively means you are just playing Hyur. So why not just play Hyur?

you are ether twisting my words or incapable of critical thinking enough to realize i was talking about hats, you know the entire subject of the thread? do i need to use pictures? take your virtue signal and shove it.

i can love my cat and still want to cover his hears for fashion, you are not the arbiter of the race and quite frankly your opinion on what makes a fan of it are jaded and shallow as your point.

and you know that i only said i prefer no ears on hats after i tried to find middle ground and you shot me down and told me you only want hats with ears present with no compromise. go threw my history if you want, i suggested a toggle before you ever started on about it as a flip flop save face opinion.

[Aco505]

And there's nothing wrong with that; It's one of the main reasons I also love my miqo- and it's totally okay if someone's only reason for playing miqo is bc they have cat ears.

Honestly, does it really matter why someone plays this or that? The point is, dev team needs to stop designing gear that hides main features of a race. They should start designing capes to either be split above the tail or half length for tailed races. There are more options to designing capes than just 'long' which involves clipping tails, and we've seen some newer cosmetics that has tail friendly features so it's possible. I feel like they'd get praise for stepping outside of their comfort zone-

and imagine if they started designing gear to compliment Au Ra as well? Rather than just horns poking through everything.

Agreed. Each player has their own reason to like the race they play, whether that includes the ears, in the case of miqo'te, or not.

They should definitely experiment more with gear design and at worst add toggles when necessary. I'd be happy having more options such as removing the capes from some chest pieces as optional toggles, or other features such as belts or skirts. Sometimes you want to use a specific chest but cannot because it has extra elements that make it worse for what you want to do.

Hopefully with the graphical update things will be better in DT. We'll see although not sure if I should be hopeful in this regard...

[EstelleCere]

I commented something like this on another thread that was made on this topic but....
Yeah, I wish they'd stop making hoods or hats remove the ears on miqo's, in my opinion it just kind of ruins it because I like their ears and I hate them being chopped off, same with some outfits that hide their tails/clip through their tails. It's the same with au ra and how their horns/tails end up clipping weird but I know this thread isn't about that.

Anyone can play the race for any reason at all and it shouldn't be some huge debate on why people choose to play the race they play, point of this thread is that it's annoying that the features for the race end up getting chopped off and cut out on outfits, and people want to express their frustration with it.

[Xirean]

you are ether twisting my words or incapable of critical thinking enough to realize i was talking about hats, you know the entire subject of the thread? do i need to use pictures? take your virtue signal and shove it.

i can love my cat and still want to cover his hears for fashion, you are not the arbiter of the race and quite frankly your opinion on what makes a fan of it are jaded and shallow as your point.

and you know that i only said i prefer no ears on hats after i tried to find middle ground and you shot me down and told me you only want hats with ears present with no compromise. go threw my history if you want, i suggested a toggle before you ever started on about it as a flip flop save face opinion.

There you go again trying to make personal attacks rather than having a constructive conversation. I asked you a clarifying question and you decided to make up reasons to insult me. As I already stated, I'm going to give pushback to statements that imply removing racial traits from others.

[Mostly_Raxus]

when you act like a spoiled child you are treated like one..

your argument is the equivalent of saying all black people should only wear Dashikis.

I'm sorry the race only exists to you when its a living stereotype of its self.

[ASkellington]

I also find it quite fascinating when comments against showing the ears are given by those who do not play the affected races. Why argue against something that doesn't affect you?

This is not a problem exclusive to miqo'te, viera or hrothgar however as some headpieces will also hide elezen and lalafell ears due to their size.

With the graphical update coming and eventually affecting all gear pieces, I would ask the developer team to please revise all the head pieces that could be suitable for the addition of ear holes and socks for the aforementioned races and especially miqo'te, viera and hrothgar.

I don't want ears back for elezen, lalafell or miqo'te personally. My ears are not that long and no, the gear doesn't adjust for ear size.

If you want a toggle that's fine and I'm all for it but no. I don't want them back and I'm perfectly fine with them not coming back.

[Aco505]

Bumping for visibility and support!