Savage Clear Rates Of Japan, North America And Europe: A Cultural Difference

[Swordsman]

Citizen, what do you get out of doing this?



We protect what is ours.

Nah, it's not him lol. Threneras is a Titanman alt, lmao.

[WeebPolice]

Nah, it's not him lol. Threneras is a Titanman alt, lmao.

Ah, that makes sense, citizen.




Remember the fallen.

[TaleraRistain]

Kinda weird statement, I'm sure JP players also raid because they want to, not because they have to. It's just that they likely find the game more enjoyable when the overall clear rate (and therefor overall amount of players able to clear content) is higher.


You mean how P9S has three strats for LC1? P10S and its two strats for Dividing Wings #1? P11S and Kindred Uptime vs. Kindred safe, or even LotL NE or SW? And let's not forget previous tiers, far war/inu war P7S to give one example.
NA PF takes a significant amount of time to settle on strats, and even then there's a few alternative ones that make it important to read the PF description to see which are being used. Not to mention how Primal & Crystal used to have different strats too, although that got killed off when Aether became the go-to datacenter to travel to for raiding.

Aether generally has Oppo or JP for 9s. I almost never see PF using anything but NE/NW for Wings 1 and same with any Kindred strat that isn't uptime. I'm just in 12s but almost never see any PF not doing lazy lasers. But there is a random PF with something differing sometimes and you either slot into it because you learned it at some point or choose one doing the strat you know. Or join prog parties and learn a strat you don't know. That's one of the nice things about our setup. You can learn different strats and find one that's comfy for you and stick with it or learn to adjust to different strats. It does require reading the PF, but they have that going to the chat box now so it shouldn't be that big of an issue.

I think if DCs want to do macros and static strats, that's fine. Everyone should be able to do what they want to. We don't use macros on Aether because we don't need them. It's very clear right now for instance if you see "Farm. MMRR" or "Farm. RMMR" what you need to do with the major mech and then we when get inside we set positions and just do the fight. It can get messy sometimes, but half of the fun is watching that chaos slowly come together and succeed.

[Neoyoshi]

I really should have not read all that.

[PercibelTheren]

My raiding experience is somewhat limited, but I have NEVER heard of an EU static not using macros for their strats. Even PF has macros for everything because it makes the setup much easier. You call your role (H1 or H2 for example) and that means you always know where to go and what to do. Japanese strats also seem to be growing in populairty lately.

[Asari5]

i'm in an europian static and we dont use macros. we know our positions without macros, but we may switch it around if someone has difficulties in certain mechanics.
also we go in blind so there is no need to look at guides or macros created by other people.
we are very casual though and we dont replace people we just dont raid if someone is missing.
on the other side i dont know anything about pf strats xD

[Sebazy]

Yarr, established prog statics that aren’t having to sub people in on a regular basis are likely going to have a pre planned strat + positions rather than using macros.

Over the years the only time any of my groups have resorted to a macro was specifically when subbing people in.

[SieyaM]

This sounds like such a weird raiding schedule, 4 hours of practice before 6 hours of practice? Also, going to assume you're being sarcastic about the "casual" part.
That said, something to keep in mind about committing to clearing a raid every week is that reclears generally take way less time. Or at least a static/structured raid group shouldn't be spending even close to full weekly hours on farm content.

Considering both of your posts, you sounds like someone with some interest in savage raiding, but not enough to go out and find a group that raids on your preferred days/preferred amount of hours. There's plenty of raid groups who don't raid during weekend, since that appears to be what you're having issues with.

It's more about the time sink of it, even the casual group that was described in this thread admitted to 8 hours a week of just raiding practice and runs. That is not including the mandatory videos you have to watch and other min maxing you have to commit to outside of these hours. If it was 4 or so hours a week over a few days sure, and no I don't mind watching a strategy video or two to prepare, but I am not going to watch 4 or 5 of them and spend hours on a training dummy nor am I spending anymore actual money on a VPN or other software to make sure my ping is as minimal as possible to quad weave or whatever the top 99% are doing now.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's more about the time sink of it, even the casual group that was described in this thread admitted to 8 hours a week of just raiding practice and runs. That is not including the mandatory videos you have to watch and other min maxing you have to commit to outside of these hours. If it was 4 or so hours a week over a few days sure, and no I don't mind watching a strategy video or two to prepare, but I am not going to watch 4 or 5 of them and spend hours on a training dummy nor am I spending anymore actual money on a VPN or other software to make sure my ping is as minimal as possible to quad weave or whatever the top 99% are doing now.

I watched no videos and did 0 prep outside of raid times lol.



And what min-maxing?



7.5 hours a week was just time in raid. There was no anything else.

[SieyaM]

I watched no videos and did 0 prep outside of raid times lol.



And what min-maxing?



7.5 hours a week was just time in raid. There was no anything else.

Usually they want you to min max with gear, spending lots of Gil on crafted pieces before you can get the raiding pieces or tome pieces, there is also making sure you can slide cast well enough and that you can get the right amount of oGCDs weaved to make sure you're hitting top ranks in the DPS charts.