Savage Clear Rates Of Japan, North America And Europe: A Cultural Difference

[SieyaM]

That is not casual lol. We do 2.5 hours a night 3 nights a week. When we have to pug someone, we provide the discord as an option, for easier communication, but its not required. Even if people join, we don't expect them to talk, that's 100% up to them.

That's still 8 hours a week that is being dedicated to raiding and nothing else in game, that's only 2 hours less than the casual group in my FC.

[Jeeqbit]

having to join "SuPeR LeEt RaIdErZ" discord server to voice chat to join a group.

There are website methods of static recruitment, such as reddit and XIVRecruit. When they invite you to their discord server, most of the time it's going to be a tiny server with 7-25 people in. And many of them do not require you to use voice. Even many PUGs that join discord don't require voice. They usually just do it so the 1 or 2 people who want to talk can do callouts and anyone else who wants to talk can.

That and some of these groups have crazy demands on people's time, my FC put together what it called a casual raid group and it was about 4 hours a week of practice before the 6 hour raiding session on the weekend.

The average raid times are: 2-3 hours, 1-3 times a week. So it is very rare that you see groups advertising more than 9 total hours over the week and the ones that are, are probably describing themselves as at least midcore.

So 10 hours a week is really not what they described it as. I mean, you could argue anything other than 16 hours a day all week is casual, but realistically it is streamers, world racers and first week clearers that took time off work that are doing that sort of thing.

If you want a group that raids once a week for 2 hours, it probably exists. If you open up to 2 days a week for 2 hours each, you will probably find plenty of groups advertising that.

I will be honest and say that the fact of it being a schedule does result in preparing for the raiding by way of getting sleep and food beforehand as well as watching guide or PoV videos to improve your understanding of a mechanic. Without doing these things, you could be letting your group down by having not prepared properly and being too tired, too hungry and not having improved your understanding of a challenging mechanic.

But there are probably people who don't do this (I swear I have met them in statics I've substituted in), and a lot of groups that would tolerate it because of describing themselves as casual or not serious.

Just got to gauge how serious the static is by the description. There are plenty that also think they are not good at the game and will just laugh off not being able to do it for months or recruit for a substitute if you announce you're unavailable ahead of time. Of course there will probably be frustration eventually if you don't clear, but the nature of the static being about tolerance leaves it brushed to the side until everyone burns out for the tier.

[Nezerius]

Honestly, troll post and all aside, the biggest thing besides my lower end performance keeping me from trying savage is having to join "SuPeR LeEt RaIdErZ" discord server to voice chat to join a group. That and some of these groups have crazy demands on people's time, my FC put together what it called a casual raid group and it was about 4 hours a week of practice before the 6 hour raiding session on the weekend. that's a pretty big part of a Saturday that I may not want to commit to clearing a raid every week.

This sounds like such a weird raiding schedule, 4 hours of practice before 6 hours of practice? Also, going to assume you're being sarcastic about the "casual" part.
That said, something to keep in mind about committing to clearing a raid every week is that reclears generally take way less time. Or at least a static/structured raid group shouldn't be spending even close to full weekly hours on farm content.

Considering both of your posts, you sounds like someone with some interest in savage raiding, but not enough to go out and find a group that raids on your preferred days/preferred amount of hours. There's plenty of raid groups who don't raid during weekend, since that appears to be what you're having issues with.

[Mimilu]

JP has better etiquette though, at least from what I've heard. I would kill for NA DCs to be as respectful of each other's time as people make JP out to be. People using text macros, not having to explain fights to half the group, especially when the PF literally links you a guide to watch, and someone who knows they're going to be gone for 30+ minutes when the party is full leaving and letting it refill instead of making everyone wait.

Among other things...

The JP community is also known to participate in witch hunting and harassing people in mass and for anonymously bashing players on sights like 5chan. Σ(‘◉⌓◉’)

[NekoMataMata]

The JP community is also known to participate in witch hunting and harassing people in mass and for anonymously bashing players on sights like 5chan. Σ(‘◉⌓◉’)

I mean the NA playerbase does this too, we just don't talk about it. NA handles most of it's awful acts in passive aggressive ways that don't get discussed much.

People on the r/ffxivdiscussion subreddit were outright doxing each other in the comments on some threads at one point over disagreements.

[Colt47]

Part of the issue with NA is life scheduling. To study fights before the static starts, someone should have a clear window of time where they can sit and do such a thing. In NA, a lot of people tend to work 7:30-8:00 am start and end up going until 4:30-5:00pm. If someone picked a static that runs 3 hours a day at 7:00pm start and they got to make dinner, do exercise, check the mail, start the laundry, etc, they probably are just barely making the starting hour.

That's also part of the problem with savage: it does demand more time than people think it does. 9 hours =/= 9 hours because there is a period where people have to check the strategy out, study the fight ahead of time, etc. Heck, even if someone has time to study, they may not have time to study before the run that the group anticipates people should study for, because the extra time is on the weekend following the raid schedule. So a common pattern is a static dumping someone for being bad, only to have that player end up bouncing back in the next static and performing as anticipated because they had time to study.

[TaleraRistain]

I believe NA culture of individualism is one of the biggest reasons as to why I believe it's impossible for NA to ever reach/equal or surpass Japan clear rates for savage.

Who says we're trying to? We raid because we want to raid not because we feel we have to. It's still a game, bruh. We should be enjoying it.

And if you think we don't have consistent strats, go take a look at Aether PF sometime and see the same things in the descriptions. Basically you join up, someone puts up the waymarks for positions, and we're off to the races.

[TaleraRistain]

That is not casual lol. We do 2.5 hours a night 3 nights a week. When we have to pug someone, we provide the discord as an option, for easier communication, but its not required. Even if people join, we don't expect them to talk, that's 100% up to them.

Our healers are married and she listens through his Discord but she's rarely in there herself. And it's about 10% callouts and 90% talking about random crap while we go through the pieces we already know. We also do the same with offering Discord if we need a pug, and our raid schedule is 3 nights a week for 2 hours each. I wouldn't call 10 hours a week, especially with one large day, casual at all either.

[Nezerius]

Who says we're trying to? We raid because we want to raid not because we feel we have to. It's still a game, bruh. We should be enjoying it.

Kinda weird statement, I'm sure JP players also raid because they want to, not because they have to. It's just that they likely find the game more enjoyable when the overall clear rate (and therefor overall amount of players able to clear content) is higher.

And if you think we don't have consistent strats, go take a look at Aether PF sometime and see the same things in the descriptions. Basically you join up, someone puts up the waymarks for positions, and we're off to the races.

You mean how P9S has three strats for LC1? P10S and its two strats for Dividing Wings #1? P11S and Kindred Uptime vs. Kindred safe, or even LotL NE or SW? And let's not forget previous tiers, far war/inu war P7S to give one example.
NA PF takes a significant amount of time to settle on strats, and even then there's a few alternative ones that make it important to read the PF description to see which are being used. Not to mention how Primal & Crystal used to have different strats too, although that got killed off when Aether became the go-to datacenter to travel to for raiding.

[Jeeqbit]

Not to mention how Primal & Crystal used to have different strats too, although that got killed off when Aether became the go-to datacenter to travel to for raiding.

There is MMRR and RMMR for the current extreme and for the previous one there was N/S and W/E. I started to suspect this was the people coming from other data centers.