MSQ Speculation

[Atelier-Bagur]

Im hoping that it turns out to be some advanced civilization that kept itself secluded from the rest of the world like Esthar in FFVIII

[Nebelheim]

I got tired of the allagans ascians/ancients and garlemald empire stuff. I wouldn't want to see more of them.

[Remish]

I got tired of the allagans ascians/ancients and garlemald empire stuff. I wouldn't want to see more of them.

I'm sick of it too but I think it would be kind of awkward to have absolutely zero presence of those things anywhere in the New World given how much of an impact they are everywhere else. The Ascians alone at least. I just find it hard to believe that for thousands of years they just never touched the New World in any way shape or form. That all this time they stayed in the Eorzea 'Holy Land' area. As sick of the Ascians as I am, it just doesn't sit well with me to assume they made zero impact on the New World in any capacity. Even with all the Calamities.

[Iscah]

I'm sick of it too but I think it would be kind of awkward to have absolutely zero presence of those things anywhere in the New World given how much of an impact they are everywhere else. The Ascians alone at least.

I don't think it's necessary to find either.

The Allagans, IIRC, conquered their own landmass first, then attacked Meracydia. Maybe Tural was next on the "to conquer" list but they never got there before their society collapsed.

And Ascians... they have no markers of their own for us to recognise their past presence there. Maybe they stirred up some civilisations, or maybe they never bothered and just focused on Eorzea and Garlemald as their base of operations.

[Mayhemmer]

As much as I wish it wasn't the case, at the end of the day, it's always gonna be...



....... ok but what if, though.. /s

[Ghost_of_Ebina]

It's basically a meme in the Japanese forums -- "Blame the Allagans"

[Argonloris]

I wouldn't argue that tropes can be overused and Allagans may be one of those. At the same time we still need to pull threads left at Endwalker. This would largely be some of those threads. "Amon" had to be doing something while Emet and Elidibus were still around. We need some reason beyond prep for a later expansion to have been dealing with the 13th and this gives us some connection to that. Saying that a group was using energy from the void and we shut it down, so now they are forced to use cerullium would work. Can also assume that perhaps the stuff is like mako from ff7. Since we assume that some of the ironworks teck in the twinning was powered that way. So perhaps the soul crystal for viper is a solid form of cerullium and they make soul batteries from it. The Eliminator is a test bed for them. With smaller ones or clones becoming the new antagonist army.

I just can't see starting an expansion story from only a letter we see for less than a patch as a viable thing to do. Cutting off all the other threads just wouldn't make sense.

[Lunaxia]

I just can't see starting an expansion story from only a letter we see for less than a patch as a viable thing to do. Cutting off all the other threads just wouldn't make sense.

The brutal truth is, as far as the devs are concerned, Endwalker is done, and I mean done. They've made a very deliberate point of hastily wrapping up just about every lingering thread left from the previous storyline and tossed the entire arc in a box they're clearly determined to leave on a shelf for now. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but that's what they've been doing. Ordinarily, we would have something like you suggested running alongside the Void story, building off past plot points and leading us into the next expansion, but they've decided on a different direction this time around and seem intent on emphasising DT as the start of a new chapter. Running back to Amon and the Allagans would go directly against that.

I'm sick of it too.

I think we're meant to assume the Ascians have been pretty much everywhere at some point, whispering in ears behind the scenes and stirring up strife to help set up the events that triggered the various Calamities that transpired over the ages. I don't know if they need to make a point of highlighting their involvement with every civilisation on the planet, and it would start to get kind of obnoxious if they did.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Wouldnt it be stupid if the the image theyre hiding is just the Eliminator in the background?

Basically it being a Vegnagun that threatens all life or something. I really hope not because that wouldnt be much of a surprise at all.

[Enkidoh]

Wouldnt it be stupid if the the image theyre hiding is just the Eliminator in the background?

Basically it being a Vegnagun that threatens all life or something. I really hope not because that wouldnt be much of a surprise at all.

Wouldn't surprise me - Endsinger was basically just a female Necron (from FFIX) so there is unfortunate precedent there....