IGN Brazil Asked Yoshida about 2 min meta

[Nokuushi]

And he gave pretty solid answer.
'' But the reason it's like this today is that we've received, in the past, feedback from all over the world saying that the timing of fights were difficult, it was difficult to align skills between classes, we were asked to unify everything, and precisely because we received these requests to homogenize this, we homogenized it"

He is right. You asked for this. Now enjoy.

[Reimmi]

When we asked to homogenize cooldowns, that didn't mean make all the tanks play the same and prune everyones abilities though

[Turtledeluxe]

When we asked to homogenize cooldowns, that didn't mean make all the tanks play the same and prune everyones abilities though

As I posted in another thread, this is because players have unknowingly homogenized the classes by complaining about their class. Because the combat of XIV is limited in scope, there's only so much devs can do to spice up a class right? They don't think "make it fun to play" when players complain but rather

- increase potency
- give it utility
- give it healing
- give it mitigation
- give it mobility

And sometimes that is because players directly ask for those things with respect to their class. The problem with XIV is with so many classes it becomes hard to deny it because depending on party you need to have the same balance of dps,buffing, healing etc. It is impossible to align this properly so devs have gone in the extreme direction and decided to make all the classes basically the same within the role (except maybe BLM). This is why to this day you get discussions like "if we add this to x class doesn't that take something away from y class"? Yes it does and we have done that like 50 times already. "If we nerf or take away X from this class no one will play it"..yes because players now are so used to their self created homogenization.

all of this

Also I huge agree with the futility ot making classes viable for group play. Nothing works and there will always be a meta, to your point about SMN aka the melee in magic clothing clothing. Also yes toxic players will usually stay toxic, casuals usually casual, and so on...no amount of dumbing down the classes has resulted in meaningful change other than balancing dps in raids. I would argue the reasons most people.do not mess with high end XIV content has nothing to do with gameplay at all.

[Deceptus]

When we asked to homogenize cooldowns, that didn't mean make all the tanks play the same and prune everyones abilities though

Same with healers. We all didn't want the AST DPS rotation without the benefits of having the cards to occupy downtime.

[Nokuushi]

Here is whole bit if someone is insterested.
IGN Brasil asked about 2 mins meta and homogenization of jobs:

Yoshida: " "That's a difficult question," begins Yoshi-P. "We have skill rotations varying between 60 and 120 seconds for the most intense phases and that's how it works currently. But the reason it's like this today is that we've received, in the past, feedback from all over the world saying that the timing of fights were difficult, it was difficult to align skills between classes, we were asked to unify everything, and precisely because we received these requests to homogenize this, we homogenized it"."

In fact, in past expansions like Heavensward and Stormblood the design of fights and classes were very different from how it is today. Just look at classes that have completely changed from their original versions, like Summoner, Astrologian, Bard, and Machinist. Furthermore, the design of the bosses and the arenas in which fights take place were different, which created different situations - and functions - between melee and ranged classes. There are those who say that having the game less "on track" is more fun - and Yoshi-P is not against this idea, but there is a balance that needs to be discussed.

Although hardcore players make up the majority of those who complain about how FF14's combat has become homogenized over the years, there is a significant portion of players, who we can consider as intermediates, who may not dedicate themselves to the more difficult encounters as diligently, but who do want to challenge themselves to overcome the game's most difficult fights and engage more frequently with the combat system than others who really stick more to the non-combat options offered by the MMO.

Yoshida: "We're okay with making things a little crazy and having different timings between all the classes, but again, we made these changes because we got feedback that it was too difficult before. We understand that there are two types of players, so going forward, Regardless of whether we change this or not, the community needs to reach a consensus: what is better? Before changing something we need to get feedback from everyone", concludes Yoshi-P, reiterating that feedback through official means is taken into account by the developer.

And from this the question arises: how much should Square Enix listen to the hardcore portion of players, who engage immediately and frequently with the most difficult content that FF14 proposes, seeking to optimize each and every possible movement, in relation to the average and casual player. Who also likes combat? It definitely doesn't sound like an easy task.

[Volgia]

And from this the question arises: how much should Square Enix listen to the hardcore portion of players, who engage immediately and frequently with the most difficult content that FF14 proposes, seeking to optimize each and every possible movement, in relation to the average and casual player. Who also likes combat? It definitely doesn't sound like an easy task.

I'd say the problem isn't hardcore players, Hardcore players find the idea of optimizing a fight with the tools they're given fun. The problem here is the lack of space for mid-core players, players who want to be competent at their job but not to master it to that degree. They're the ones who find end-game savage too hard, they're the ones asking for homogenization to get through the content. There's no content in the game that has space for these players because you either roll your face through the keyboard in the duty roulettes or you go get your ass whipped in savage.

[Aldath]

I'd say the problem isn't hardcore players, Hardcore players find the idea of optimizing a fight with the tools they're given fun. The problem here is the lack of space for mid-core players, players who want to be competent at their job but not to master it to that degree. They're the ones who find end-game savage too hard, they're the ones asking for homogenization to get through the content. There's no content in the game that has space for these players because you either roll your face through the keyboard in the duty roulettes or you go get your ass whipped in savage.

Extremes exist.
The problem is that besides the painfully slow rotation of Unreals in Faux Hollows, there's nothing to incentivise doing them unsynced or thorough DF.

[Syln]

Well let's hope that they'll continue to listen and get rid of it then :3

[ThaCa]

Back when this happened, like half the player base didn't even exist yet.

[Payadopa]

I never had any doubt it because of feedback. The problem is that gamers are stupid and will optimise the fun out of the game if you let them. That's why game design is important. I just find it a shame that they didn't stick to their vision and just say no. Now we have corridor dungeons etc etc because it's faster. Or unique fights get deleted.

I hope we can course correct somewhat. Same with people asking for buffs or positionals to be removed. It's just shortsighted is what it is.