Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[Darkpaw]

To you, maybe. Not necessarily to other people. "Viper" offers nothing in terms of information about the actual job itself, and unlike other jobs it has no history in the franchise or in RPG classes in general to provide a reference point, nor anything about it that suggests what its weapon or function might be. The most you could do is theorise off the snake imagery, which is what people have been doing, but the issue with naming something after an animal is that it's a practice linked to organisations rather than actual jobs, and that means it could be anything.

Historically DRK should be a DPS, Dancers a healer, Samurai a tank. Gunbreaker shouldn’t exist nor should astrologian which is an amalgamation of several previous jobs. Monk should be named Fighter, Sage should be casting high levels of all spells. Summoner should play vastly differently than every iteration it has ever been in XIV. Black Mages should have more than 3 elemental spells.

At some point this argument is asinine. We criticize this dev team for only taking job inspiration from previous FF games, they dip one toe into something truly original. These forums spew copious amounts of word vomit and hope something sticks this time it’s “oh i dont like the name despite knowing everything about the job based off the 3 minutes of information you gave to us.”

Names can be misleading. Whether they are associated with the franchise historically or not. Does anyone remember the lead up to shadowbringers after the dnc teaser dropped and everyone thought it was going to be a healer? And then were salty af when it wasnt.

[Renathras]

They could have called it platypus and that'd have been just as creative.

Exactly. So people need to stop saying the devs are lazy and uncreative (with the name). "Viper" is entirely creative. It's like that hyperbole thing I talk about all the time and in my sig. People trying to overstate their point because they believe "I just don't like it, it doesn't seem like (with what little we know of the Job) to describe the archetype well" isn't a strong point.

The thing is, THAT IS a strong point. Far stronger than accusing something of being uncreative because the thing you want instead is actually LESS creative.

The job of localisation is to make something foreign to the audience understandable.

And it's entirely understandable.

A class wielding two blades like a snake's fangs, darting in and out of combat with quick and evasive strikes. That's immediately what "Viper" makes me think of.

Before you say blah blah poison two swords two fangs, platypus are a mammal that lays eggs encompassing the two/one motif and have a venomous spur. Maybe they'll put more information out which makes viper seem a sensible or appropriate name, but the trailer did not convey that.

If it has a fur coat, swims, and lays eggs, then sure, a Job named Platypus would make sense.

so what will happen if the job doesn't include any type of DoTs in the form of poison??

btw snakes are venomous.

To be fair, many/most snakes aren't venomous. Vipers are, but snakes in general aren't. Poisons don't have to be DoTs. Addle is the evolution of Virus, a disease/bioweapon spell. And isn't a DoT.

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I'm waiting to see the full reveal/media tour to see if the name truly fits, but from what we know - we literally only know it dual wields and has a thief sword/swallow combination weapon, have seen what appears to be a 1-2-3-4 combo, one combined weapon strike, one power-up animation, and Locke's LB from Dissida. That's VERY little to insist that the name doesn't fit based off of.

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Monk should be named Fighter

Mostly with you (though EW SMN fits the Summoner idea a lot better than most), but for this one on Monk. Blackbelt/Master was a Job in OG FF1, and Monk was fully developed as a Job by, at latest, FFTactics. Agree with you on some of the other ones, though. (GNB is some variation of Fighter/Warrior.)

[ForsakenRoe]

If they add in a snake motif and/or poison, sure, but quick striking melee user? No, that could be really any melee class.

We don't know 20 of it's abilities' animations, what they do, what they are named, all we have is this picture and the name. Why do people get so up in arms over such tiny things like 'I don't like the name, it doesn't fit the class's aesthetic' when we have seen literally like 3% of what that 'aesthetic' is even built from

[Boblawblah]

We don't know 20 of it's abilities' animations, what they do, what they are named, all we have is this picture and the name. Why do people get so up in arms over such tiny things like 'I don't like the name, it doesn't fit the class's aesthetic' when we have seen literally like 3% of what that 'aesthetic' is even built from

I don't think anyone is "up in arms", we're just discussing what we think of the job's name. it's a discussion forum, this is what people do.

[BRVV]

Really interested in the reasons for the name in lore. A viper is also a snake in the world of FFXIV or not? It can't (or shouldn't) be that we just form a bond with a viper and use their attacks because then Reaper should have been called Avatar. Calling it Viper because of twin blades is kinda dumb imho. Are we going to call Red mages mosquitoes?

[Lunaxia]

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Like... again, this feels more like misdirected anger at the perception of the amount of criticism the game gets than the topic actually at hand. You still know what those jobs are based both on both previous incarnations in past games and what the name immediately tells you, even if they're not a 1:1 fit of how they've been implemented previously.

At some point this argument is asinine. We criticize this dev team for only taking job inspiration from previous FF games

I've never actually seen this as a criticism. If anything, it's usually people clamouring for weapons/ jobs that have appeared previously that haven't been used yet.

they dip one toe into something truly original.

(That doesn't make it automatically good, though!)

There is something to be said for making hasty judgements, but in this instance I don't think finding out any more about the class would change anything when the problem is with the name, what it tells you and how it comes off.

[SuraSeretto]

i think its a cool name. its certainly better than "corsair" like people were guessing imo

[Cach]

IMHO a lot of people dislike the name simply because it lacks "legacy". I'm pretty sure they'll try to create lore and personality for it, but for right now my reaction was 'meh'.

The "piratey" looking armour and beach/island/treasure setting is why a lot of people went with Corsair (plus Merylwb has animation sets for pistols, I honestly thought they were going to reuse them), it was the logical choice. But they decided not to have a gun/blunderbuss so that option went out the window. Would people have reacted negatively to a Corsair without guns? We can only speculate now.

Viper wouldn't have been my first choice. As some people on other threads have pointed out names like Thief or Pirate have "negative connotations" (fun fact: I worked on a game about pirates once and some countries really hate to use the term on titles, so it had to be changed to sailors or something).

I would have gone with "Treasure Hunter" as a wink to FF6's Locke. Too long or confusing? something like 'Raider' then. (As in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or Tomb Raider. Fits the setting).

[Tsumdere]

This is the one of the most stupid things to be upset about. People are just upset it's not Corsair or another legacy FF job and twisting themselves into pretzels to be mad at SOMETHING.

If you're not hype for it, you're not hype. But don't pretend it's because of the NAME.

[Iscah]

This feels more like you're offended people don't like the name. They can try something new, and they can name a class after an animal if they want, but people can also criticise that decision and find it a poor choice or inappropriate for the job. It's evident from the feedback that it's important for a lot of people that the name works as a functional moniker as well as a stylish one, and going with "Viper" here seems to be prioritising sounding cool over actually being a logical designation.

More frustrated that people are so determined to find any reason to say their dislike is justified, rather simply disliking it and awaiting more info.

It's a new job, it needs a new name, they have to call it something. They are creating what the term "viper" means as a fighting style, just like they created gunbreaker or astrologian or (long ago) dragoon or red mage. Those job names tell you nothing unless you are already familiar with what they do. This one will be no different.