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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    Really? GUNbreaker? Who happens to use a GUNblade, a well known Final Fantasy weapon? You're reaching. The warrior as I mentioned was a stretch, but good call trying to call me out on that example when I already mentioned that.
    Yes, really. What does a gunbreaker do? "Breaks guns"? What immediate connection does that have to a gunblade, assuming you know what a gunblade even is?

    We're used to it now as a term, and had it presented to us when we were already anticipating to hear what a gunblade user would be called. But to an outsider, it's opaque and suggests nothing. If you want to play concept association as loose as "two terms with the word gun in them" – neither of them being real words outside of a Final Fantqsy context – then prettymuch anything goes.

    And yes, I am calling you out on sweeping aside the example that disproves your argument as simply "a stretch". What about the term "warrior" (or marauder before it) should unquestionably call "heavyweight axe-wielder" to mind over any other kind of warrior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Yes, really. What does a gunbreaker do? "Breaks guns"? What immediate connection does that have to a gunblade, assuming you know what a gunblade even is?

    We're used to it now as a term, and had it presented to us when we were already anticipating to hear what a gunblade user would be called. But to an outsider, it's opaque and suggests nothing. If you want to play concept association as loose as "two terms with the word gun in them" – neither of them being real words outside of a Final Fantqsy context – then prettymuch anything goes.

    And yes, I am calling you out on sweeping aside the example that disproves your argument as simply "a stretch". What about the term "warrior" (or marauder before it) should unquestionably call "heavyweight axe-wielder" to mind over any other kind of warrior?
    Here, let's make this very clear since you seem to be missing it: I think Warrior is a bad name for a job. The only reason it works and is easily identifiable is it's history in the Final Fantasy series, which is why it works. Viper doesn't have that luxury (and YES, that does matter).

    Okay, now that we've hopefully passed that part, if they go with Viper, and choose to have nothing to do with poison/dots and is just the name of the organization of fighters without any more snake context, then yes, I'll stick with my assertion that it's a bad name. I'm still not convinced that there won't be some poison element involved, but I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    Here, let's make this very clear since you seem to be missing it: I think Warrior is a bad name for a job.
    Yes, I do seem to have missed any previous indication that you thought warrior is a bad name. Perhaps you could have helped by actually mentioning that part.
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    Viper is named Viper because of its striking speed similar to the animal, long swords referencing its deadly teeth, its behavior of ambushing prey and attacking from dead angles and its lethality.
    Poison is a possibility but not a garantee. We have enough to be satisfied with all the Viper references.

    Is Captain Falcon able to fly?
    Is Batman able to use echolocation?
    Is Flash able to produce a Flash?
    Is Solid Snake able to bite and poison its ennemies?

    If those characters have no problem being named after animal or natural events, why would it be a problem for Viper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Is Batman able to use echolocation?
    You know, I've never once thought to myself "why is Batman called Batman?". Not sure why that is though, since he can't in fact use echolocation. He obviously has nothing to do with "bats" or "man".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Viper is named Viper because of its striking speed similar to the animal, long swords referencing its deadly teeth, its behavior of ambushing prey and attacking from dead angles and its lethality.
    Poison is a possibility but not a garantee. We have enough to be satisfied with all the Viper references.

    Is Captain Falcon able to fly?
    Is Batman able to use echolocation?
    Is Flash able to produce a Flash?
    Is Solid Snake able to bite and poison its enemies?

    If those characters have no problem being named after animal or natural events, why would it be a problem for Viper?
    This is such a strange argument. None of the examples have anything to do with job/classes.

    There are reaches, then there are reaches so far out there that even conspiracy theorists shake their heads at them.
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