Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[CKNovel]

Good thing Dragoon spits fire or else everyone would be mad about its name.

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Good thing Dragoon spits fire or else everyone would be mad about its name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_The_Royal_Dragoons

They chose an existing job that sounds similar to dragon for their dragon knight. It would be no different to using templar as a knight + religious undertones job.

[CKNovel]

They chose an existing job that sounds similar to dragon for their dragon knight. It would be no different to using templar as a knight + religious undertones job.

Beyond the name there's no link between FF XIV Dragoon and those Dragoons. It's just a coincidence they have a similar named.
Don't forget the original name is "Dragon Knight", not "Dragoon".

Final Fantasy Dragoons are named after the mythical Dragons, not a british cavalry.
If you want to argue otherwise, please show an interview where the development team mentionned this british cavalry being the origin of inspiration.

Look, there's a fighter aircraft named the "Viper", is anyone complaining it doesn't shoot toxic missiles?

[Boblawblah]

idk, I'm going through the job list in my head and most of them tell you something about the job just in the name

Paladin: holy protector
Warrior: eh..a stretch
Dragoon: Dragon fighter, a FF staple
Monk: melee fighter
etc

Viper: twinblade specialist..?

I don't know, I can't help but feeling we're missing the core identity of the job that SE is hiding for now.

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Beyond the name there's no link between FF XIV Dragoon and those Dragoons. It's just a coincidence they have a similar named.
Don't forget the original name is "Dragon Knight", not "Dragoon".

Final Fantasy Dragoons are named after the mythical Dragons, not a british cavalry.
If you want to argue otherwise, please show an interview where the development team mentionned this british cavalry being the origin of inspiration.

Look, there's a fighter aircraft named the "Viper", is anyone complaining it doesn't shoot toxic missiles?

Japanese: Dragon Knight (竜騎士, Ryuukishi). This is just decent localisation.

[Iscah]

idk, I'm going through the job list in my head and most of them tell you something about the job just in the name

Paladin: holy protector
Warrior: eh..a stretch
Dragoon: Dragon fighter, a FF staple
Monk: melee fighter
etc

Viper: twinblade specialist..?

I don't know, I can't help but feeling we're missing the core identity of the job that SE is hiding for now.

So, what does a gunbreaker do? What kind of weapon does a warrior use? Does a dark knight ride a dark horse?

As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.

... the devs are just using the name as a placeholder because they are still trying to come up with a good name for the job. I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?

This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.

[Boblawblah]

So, what does a gunbreaker do? What kind of weapon does a warrior use? Does a dark knight ride a dark horse?

As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.




This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.

Really? GUNbreaker? Who happens to use a GUNblade, a well known Final Fantasy weapon? You're reaching. The warrior as I mentioned was a stretch, but good call trying to call me out on that example when I already mentioned that. And DARK Knight, well, the entire motif/story is about DARKness and they're a tank/protector, so knight fits there as well.

Quick strikes? That's the identity of the Viper? Really? If that's all there is to the name, then yea, I'm going to say it's a bad name. If they add in a snake motif and/or poison, sure, but quick striking melee user? No, that could be really any melee class.

[Shurrikhan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_The_Royal_Dragoons

They chose an existing job that sounds similar to dragon for their dragon knight. It would be no different to using templar as a knight + religious undertones job.

Right, but that wouldn't hold up at all to even half the scrutiny being leveled at Viper presently.

The Dragoons were a British carabiner cavalry force. Our dragoons are not mounted, do not use anything like rifles, aren't dressed in red coats, aren't meant primarily to herd, harass, and point-stop enemy forces or quell civil unrest, and their connection to dragons isn't from their firearms.

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Right, but that wouldn't hold up at all to even half the scrutiny being leveled at Viper presently.

The Dragoons were a British carabiner cavalry force. Our dragoons are not mounted, do not use anything like rifles, aren't dressed in red coats, aren't meant primarily to herd, harass, and point-stop enemy forces or quell civil unrest, and their connection to dragons isn't from their firearms.

It's been the name since ff2 where they were mounted and not associated with spears - not that estinien doesn't take every opportunity to ride dragons. You're also throwing some incredibly superficial differences in using a lot more words than necessary as a very transparent attempt to make your argument seem stronger. In addition the 1st royal dragoons are not the only dragoons in history, nor did britain have a monopoly on them.

Discarding everything but the most basic interpretation, dragoon is still a word associated with a combat role, whereas viper has no such connection.

[Shurrikhan]

It's been the name since ff2 where they were mounted and not associated with spears - not that estinien doesn't take every opportunity to ride dragons.

Localizations as often called them Dragon Knights (because they were armored lancers who rode dragons), and they predominantly used spears.

Dragon Knights are a small but powerful group of spear-wielding, wyvern-riding warriors in Final Fantasy II.
- Final Fantasy wiki.

You're also throwing some incredibly superficial differences in using a lot more words than necessary as a very transparent attempt to make your argument seem stronger. In addition the 1st royal dragoons are not the only dragoons in history, nor did britain have a monopoly on them.

They're literally your example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_The_Royal_Dragoons

Discarding everything but the most basic interpretation, dragoon is still a word associated with a combat role, whereas viper has no such connection.

Ask someone unfamiliar with XIV what the combat role of a Machinist would be. Of a Dancer. Or, mention first that there are non-combat professions and see whether they think Machinist and Dancer even are combat classes.

Heck, ask anyone who's heard of a "Dragoon" but not from FF and see if the "combat role" they'd imagine for it aligns with the idea you seem to think is inherent to the name.



You tell me there's a new Viper class added to WoW or to GW2 and I'll have a pretty immediate idea for Arena/Mythic+/Fractals/WvW (i.e., the only places with actually distinctive combat roles beyond a mere trinity) of what affordances it will bring: an ambusher probably with more burst control available to its single-target than AoE, with decent spot-pressure, likely useful at times as a harrier through threat (PvP) and maybe on-decisive-attack and ramped afflictions (PvE, lesser) rather than through constant crowd control. Those all and immediately come to mind just off that name.