Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[Atelier-Bagur]

Um.

WoW Hunters have access to swords and polearms and can dual wield.

The most iconic Dungeons and Dragons character (if we want to go back to the origin of modern fantasy) Drizzt, is a dual-sword Ranger/Hunter.

Typically, what most people think of as a Ranger/Hunter is not limited to a specific weapon but more as being skilled in multiple weapons. But easily the two most common archetypes are some sort of bow, or some sort of dual wielding sword/axe thing.

Hard disagree on this, because Hunters are all about using the environment to lay traps and subterfuge to hunt wild game.

Also if youre going with the able to use all weapons angle then that makes the Hunter moniker even more generic considering the uniqueness of Viper being able to turn their blades into double bladed swords.

I just dont think Hunter is a good name either.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Hard disagree on this, because Hunters are all about using the environment to lay traps and subterfuge to hunt wild game.

Not in modern fantasy.
And im talking Aragorn son of Arathonr, true heir to the throne of Gondor modern fantasy.

The Viper is a M o n t a r a z.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Hard disagree on this, because Hunters are all about using the environment to lay traps and subterfuge to hunt wild game.

Also if youre going with the able to use all weapons angle then that makes the Hunter moniker even more generic considering the uniqueness of Viper being able to turn their blades into double bladed swords.

I just dont think Hunter is a good name either.

See Viper isn't a good name for that either, though. It might describe half of the class (the separate swords stance), but has almost nothing to do with its central gimmick (combined sword-staff). Whirlwinding doesn't feel remotely viperish.

At least Hunter communicates that this is both a dual-sword wielder and a staff wielder. And yes, I do think that setting traps or summoning other weapons would have synergizes far better with both a Hunter fantasy and a Zidane fantasy, than...whatever shallow idea Viper is. At least trap-laying and multiple weapons would carve a more distinct "Scouting" identity that is *distinct* from Ninja, rather than trying to repeat virtually the same fantasy just without mudra spells.

I do agree that, with the job as shallow and snake-obsessed as it is, Hunter is not a great name for its current form. But the form factor really sucks on this job and it should have stuck with a Hunter archetype instead of being a lame snake-assassin-thing.

[Atelier-Bagur]

See Viper isn't a good name for that either, though. It might describe half of the class (the separate swords stance), but has almost nothing to do with its central gimmick (combined sword-staff). Whirlwinding doesn't feel remotely viperish.

At least Hunter communicates that this is both a dual-sword wielder and a staff wielder. And yes, I do think that setting traps or summoning other weapons would have synergizes far better with both a Hunter fantasy and a Zidane fantasy, than...whatever shallow idea Viper is. At least trap-laying and multiple weapons would carve a more distinct "Scouting" identity that is *distinct* from Ninja, rather than trying to repeat virtually the same fantasy just without mudra spells.

I do agree that, with the job as shallow and snake-obsessed as it is, Hunter is not a great name for its current form. But the form factor really sucks on this job and it should have stuck with a Hunter archetype instead of being a lame snake-assassin-thing.

Viper is better than Hunter. But again, I dont know what else they can call it considering it seems that the job will be implementing some poison abilities due to the snake concept of the job.

[Renathras]

I think names are ultimate important, but some people are going too much after this one.

Apparently, "Viper" is used in place of Buccaneer in some Korean and Japanese MMOs. It also makes me think of assassin, like Assassin's Creed, which even the armor kind of looks like. But they don't really want to go with assassin because it sounds bad (even NIN's ability with that name moves away from it becoming Dream Within A Dream). So Viper works to "get around the censors", so to speak, by kind of hinting at "swashbuckler assassin flirting with the gray areas of the law" without outright cementing it as a "lawbreaker" or "evil" class.

Not to mention the two swords could be like the two fangs of a poisonous snake (viper) which kind of make me think of something like the "Wolf Fang Fist" from Dragonball.

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Personally, I find it more creative than "corsair" or "buccaneer".

Not to be snippy, but I think people are...being snippy. And using the wrong words. "Viper" is FAR more creative than "generic pirate class" which corsair or buccaneer (as names, that is) would be. It'd be like having a wizard class and naming it...Wizard. That's not "creative". Naming it "Owl Mage" is far more creative.

So people harping on the name are using the wrong word. It's not that it lacks creativity, it's that you don't like it and you want something generic, but you don't want your argument to sound like you're the one advocating mediocrity.

Now, it's fine to make that argument - "Wizard" is a fine name that immediately gives people a clear idea of what the class is...but it's not "creative". So stop lying about what you want. Don't say "The Devs aren't creative enough!" say "I dislike this name and wish they had gone with a more generic concept". Yes, that makes you an advocate for mediocrity and makes you the underachiever, not the devs. But it's actually a solid argument.

This "The Devs are lazy! (because I'm not getting what I want...)" "argument" needs to die in a fire. People here use it all the time.

Instead, just say you don't like something. You not liking something doesn't mean the Devs are lazy, and it's not a crime to dislike something, and it's not a crime to want generic mediocrity. Just be honest about that being what you want.

[fulminating]

Not to be snippy, but I think people are...being snippy. And using the wrong words. "Viper" is FAR more creative than "generic pirate class" which corsair or buccaneer (as names, that is) would be. It'd be like having a wizard class and naming it...Wizard. That's not "creative". Naming it "Owl Mage" is far more creative.
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They could have called it platypus and that'd have been just as creative. The job of localisation is to make something foreign to the audience understandable.
Before you say blah blah poison two swords two fangs, platypus are a mammal that lays eggs encompassing the two/one motif and have a venomous spur. Maybe they'll put more information out which makes viper seem a sensible or appropriate name, but the trailer did not convey that.

[keichirou]

I think names are ultimate important, but some people are going too much after this one.

Apparently, "Viper" is used in place of Buccaneer in some Korean and Japanese MMOs. It also makes me think of assassin, like Assassin's Creed, which even the armor kind of looks like. But they don't really want to go with assassin because it sounds bad (even NIN's ability with that name moves away from it becoming Dream Within A Dream). So Viper works to "get around the censors", so to speak, by kind of hinting at "swashbuckler assassin flirting with the gray areas of the law" without outright cementing it as a "lawbreaker" or "evil" class.

Not to mention the two swords could be like the two fangs of a poisonous snake (viper) which kind of make me think of something like the "Wolf Fang Fist" from Dragonball

so what will happen if the job doesn't include any type of DoTs in the form of poison??

btw snakes are venomous.

[Raikai]

Viper as a name is growing on me slowly, like a harsh.

The name I have issue with is actually Sage. To me it just doesn't evoke the feeling of the job... If I could choose, it would be something like Artificer (generally a spellcaster who uses arcane tools) and it would even have the cool ART acronym lol.

[Reap00]

Names matter. If you don't think they matter, then you aren't creative enough.

You just couldn't figure out anything good to complain about so this is what you cooked up. His response is actually 100% perfect. We need more of that in this forum.

[BaconBits]

They should of just named it after some variety of bird considering how much aesthetics the artifact armor aped from Assassin's Creed lmao.

Just go all the way and name it Jackdaw or something, really commit to the bit.