Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[Renathras]

I think names are ultimate important, but some people are going too much after this one.

Apparently, "Viper" is used in place of Buccaneer in some Korean and Japanese MMOs. It also makes me think of assassin, like Assassin's Creed, which even the armor kind of looks like. But they don't really want to go with assassin because it sounds bad (even NIN's ability with that name moves away from it becoming Dream Within A Dream). So Viper works to "get around the censors", so to speak, by kind of hinting at "swashbuckler assassin flirting with the gray areas of the law" without outright cementing it as a "lawbreaker" or "evil" class.

Not to mention the two swords could be like the two fangs of a poisonous snake (viper) which kind of make me think of something like the "Wolf Fang Fist" from Dragonball.

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Personally, I find it more creative than "corsair" or "buccaneer".

Not to be snippy, but I think people are...being snippy. And using the wrong words. "Viper" is FAR more creative than "generic pirate class" which corsair or buccaneer (as names, that is) would be. It'd be like having a wizard class and naming it...Wizard. That's not "creative". Naming it "Owl Mage" is far more creative.

So people harping on the name are using the wrong word. It's not that it lacks creativity, it's that you don't like it and you want something generic, but you don't want your argument to sound like you're the one advocating mediocrity.

Now, it's fine to make that argument - "Wizard" is a fine name that immediately gives people a clear idea of what the class is...but it's not "creative". So stop lying about what you want. Don't say "The Devs aren't creative enough!" say "I dislike this name and wish they had gone with a more generic concept". Yes, that makes you an advocate for mediocrity and makes you the underachiever, not the devs. But it's actually a solid argument.

This "The Devs are lazy! (because I'm not getting what I want...)" "argument" needs to die in a fire. People here use it all the time.

Instead, just say you don't like something. You not liking something doesn't mean the Devs are lazy, and it's not a crime to dislike something, and it's not a crime to want generic mediocrity. Just be honest about that being what you want.

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Not to be snippy, but I think people are...being snippy. And using the wrong words. "Viper" is FAR more creative than "generic pirate class" which corsair or buccaneer (as names, that is) would be. It'd be like having a wizard class and naming it...Wizard. That's not "creative". Naming it "Owl Mage" is far more creative.
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They could have called it platypus and that'd have been just as creative. The job of localisation is to make something foreign to the audience understandable.
Before you say blah blah poison two swords two fangs, platypus are a mammal that lays eggs encompassing the two/one motif and have a venomous spur. Maybe they'll put more information out which makes viper seem a sensible or appropriate name, but the trailer did not convey that.

[keichirou]

I think names are ultimate important, but some people are going too much after this one.

Apparently, "Viper" is used in place of Buccaneer in some Korean and Japanese MMOs. It also makes me think of assassin, like Assassin's Creed, which even the armor kind of looks like. But they don't really want to go with assassin because it sounds bad (even NIN's ability with that name moves away from it becoming Dream Within A Dream). So Viper works to "get around the censors", so to speak, by kind of hinting at "swashbuckler assassin flirting with the gray areas of the law" without outright cementing it as a "lawbreaker" or "evil" class.

Not to mention the two swords could be like the two fangs of a poisonous snake (viper) which kind of make me think of something like the "Wolf Fang Fist" from Dragonball

so what will happen if the job doesn't include any type of DoTs in the form of poison??

btw snakes are venomous.

[Renathras]

They could have called it platypus and that'd have been just as creative.

Exactly. So people need to stop saying the devs are lazy and uncreative (with the name). "Viper" is entirely creative. It's like that hyperbole thing I talk about all the time and in my sig. People trying to overstate their point because they believe "I just don't like it, it doesn't seem like (with what little we know of the Job) to describe the archetype well" isn't a strong point.

The thing is, THAT IS a strong point. Far stronger than accusing something of being uncreative because the thing you want instead is actually LESS creative.

The job of localisation is to make something foreign to the audience understandable.

And it's entirely understandable.

A class wielding two blades like a snake's fangs, darting in and out of combat with quick and evasive strikes. That's immediately what "Viper" makes me think of.

Before you say blah blah poison two swords two fangs, platypus are a mammal that lays eggs encompassing the two/one motif and have a venomous spur. Maybe they'll put more information out which makes viper seem a sensible or appropriate name, but the trailer did not convey that.

If it has a fur coat, swims, and lays eggs, then sure, a Job named Platypus would make sense.

so what will happen if the job doesn't include any type of DoTs in the form of poison??

btw snakes are venomous.

To be fair, many/most snakes aren't venomous. Vipers are, but snakes in general aren't. Poisons don't have to be DoTs. Addle is the evolution of Virus, a disease/bioweapon spell. And isn't a DoT.

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I'm waiting to see the full reveal/media tour to see if the name truly fits, but from what we know - we literally only know it dual wields and has a thief sword/swallow combination weapon, have seen what appears to be a 1-2-3-4 combo, one combined weapon strike, one power-up animation, and Locke's LB from Dissida. That's VERY little to insist that the name doesn't fit based off of.

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Monk should be named Fighter

Mostly with you (though EW SMN fits the Summoner idea a lot better than most), but for this one on Monk. Blackbelt/Master was a Job in OG FF1, and Monk was fully developed as a Job by, at latest, FFTactics. Agree with you on some of the other ones, though. (GNB is some variation of Fighter/Warrior.)