Viper would of been better if it had a different name

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Good thing Dragoon spits fire or else everyone would be mad about its name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_The_Royal_Dragoons

They chose an existing job that sounds similar to dragon for their dragon knight. It would be no different to using templar as a knight + religious undertones job.

[CKNovel]

They chose an existing job that sounds similar to dragon for their dragon knight. It would be no different to using templar as a knight + religious undertones job.

Beyond the name there's no link between FF XIV Dragoon and those Dragoons. It's just a coincidence they have a similar named.
Don't forget the original name is "Dragon Knight", not "Dragoon".

Final Fantasy Dragoons are named after the mythical Dragons, not a british cavalry.
If you want to argue otherwise, please show an interview where the development team mentionned this british cavalry being the origin of inspiration.

Look, there's a fighter aircraft named the "Viper", is anyone complaining it doesn't shoot toxic missiles?

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Beyond the name there's no link between FF XIV Dragoon and those Dragoons. It's just a coincidence they have a similar named.
Don't forget the original name is "Dragon Knight", not "Dragoon".

Final Fantasy Dragoons are named after the mythical Dragons, not a british cavalry.
If you want to argue otherwise, please show an interview where the development team mentionned this british cavalry being the origin of inspiration.

Look, there's a fighter aircraft named the "Viper", is anyone complaining it doesn't shoot toxic missiles?

Japanese: Dragon Knight (竜騎士, Ryuukishi). This is just decent localisation.

[Shurrikhan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_The_Royal_Dragoons

They chose an existing job that sounds similar to dragon for their dragon knight. It would be no different to using templar as a knight + religious undertones job.

Right, but that wouldn't hold up at all to even half the scrutiny being leveled at Viper presently.

The Dragoons were a British carabiner cavalry force. Our dragoons are not mounted, do not use anything like rifles, aren't dressed in red coats, aren't meant primarily to herd, harass, and point-stop enemy forces or quell civil unrest, and their connection to dragons isn't from their firearms.

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Right, but that wouldn't hold up at all to even half the scrutiny being leveled at Viper presently.

The Dragoons were a British carabiner cavalry force. Our dragoons are not mounted, do not use anything like rifles, aren't dressed in red coats, aren't meant primarily to herd, harass, and point-stop enemy forces or quell civil unrest, and their connection to dragons isn't from their firearms.

It's been the name since ff2 where they were mounted and not associated with spears - not that estinien doesn't take every opportunity to ride dragons. You're also throwing some incredibly superficial differences in using a lot more words than necessary as a very transparent attempt to make your argument seem stronger. In addition the 1st royal dragoons are not the only dragoons in history, nor did britain have a monopoly on them.

Discarding everything but the most basic interpretation, dragoon is still a word associated with a combat role, whereas viper has no such connection.

[Shurrikhan]

It's been the name since ff2 where they were mounted and not associated with spears - not that estinien doesn't take every opportunity to ride dragons.

Localizations as often called them Dragon Knights (because they were armored lancers who rode dragons), and they predominantly used spears.

Dragon Knights are a small but powerful group of spear-wielding, wyvern-riding warriors in Final Fantasy II.
- Final Fantasy wiki.

You're also throwing some incredibly superficial differences in using a lot more words than necessary as a very transparent attempt to make your argument seem stronger. In addition the 1st royal dragoons are not the only dragoons in history, nor did britain have a monopoly on them.

They're literally your example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_The_Royal_Dragoons

Discarding everything but the most basic interpretation, dragoon is still a word associated with a combat role, whereas viper has no such connection.

Ask someone unfamiliar with XIV what the combat role of a Machinist would be. Of a Dancer. Or, mention first that there are non-combat professions and see whether they think Machinist and Dancer even are combat classes.

Heck, ask anyone who's heard of a "Dragoon" but not from FF and see if the "combat role" they'd imagine for it aligns with the idea you seem to think is inherent to the name.



You tell me there's a new Viper class added to WoW or to GW2 and I'll have a pretty immediate idea for Arena/Mythic+/Fractals/WvW (i.e., the only places with actually distinctive combat roles beyond a mere trinity) of what affordances it will bring: an ambusher probably with more burst control available to its single-target than AoE, with decent spot-pressure, likely useful at times as a harrier through threat (PvP) and maybe on-decisive-attack and ramped afflictions (PvE, lesser) rather than through constant crowd control. Those all and immediately come to mind just off that name.

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Localizations more often than not still called them Dragon Knights, and they did use spears.



They're literally your example.

Yeah because if you read the opening paragraph it gives a brief description which fairly clearly states they are not the only ones- 1st dragoons imply the existence of more - and the convenient date there shows they are 350 years late to invent the word. Any further investigation would only cement this.

Excalibur is both a sword and their hereditary weapon isn’t it?

[Boblawblah]

idk, I'm going through the job list in my head and most of them tell you something about the job just in the name

Paladin: holy protector
Warrior: eh..a stretch
Dragoon: Dragon fighter, a FF staple
Monk: melee fighter
etc

Viper: twinblade specialist..?

I don't know, I can't help but feeling we're missing the core identity of the job that SE is hiding for now.

[Darkobra]

Yes to Batman and have you ever SEEN Flash? Guy shoots lightning...

[Darkpaw]

To you, maybe. Not necessarily to other people. "Viper" offers nothing in terms of information about the actual job itself, and unlike other jobs it has no history in the franchise or in RPG classes in general to provide a reference point, nor anything about it that suggests what its weapon or function might be. The most you could do is theorise off the snake imagery, which is what people have been doing, but the issue with naming something after an animal is that it's a practice linked to organisations rather than actual jobs, and that means it could be anything.

Historically DRK should be a DPS, Dancers a healer, Samurai a tank. Gunbreaker shouldn’t exist nor should astrologian which is an amalgamation of several previous jobs. Monk should be named Fighter, Sage should be casting high levels of all spells. Summoner should play vastly differently than every iteration it has ever been in XIV. Black Mages should have more than 3 elemental spells.

At some point this argument is asinine. We criticize this dev team for only taking job inspiration from previous FF games, they dip one toe into something truly original. These forums spew copious amounts of word vomit and hope something sticks this time it’s “oh i dont like the name despite knowing everything about the job based off the 3 minutes of information you gave to us.”

Names can be misleading. Whether they are associated with the franchise historically or not. Does anyone remember the lead up to shadowbringers after the dnc teaser dropped and everyone thought it was going to be a healer? And then were salty af when it wasnt.