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  1. #1
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    Renathras's Avatar
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    Ren Thras
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    They could have called it platypus and that'd have been just as creative.
    Exactly. So people need to stop saying the devs are lazy and uncreative (with the name). "Viper" is entirely creative. It's like that hyperbole thing I talk about all the time and in my sig. People trying to overstate their point because they believe "I just don't like it, it doesn't seem like (with what little we know of the Job) to describe the archetype well" isn't a strong point.

    The thing is, THAT IS a strong point. Far stronger than accusing something of being uncreative because the thing you want instead is actually LESS creative.

    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    The job of localisation is to make something foreign to the audience understandable.
    And it's entirely understandable.

    A class wielding two blades like a snake's fangs, darting in and out of combat with quick and evasive strikes. That's immediately what "Viper" makes me think of.

    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    Before you say blah blah poison two swords two fangs, platypus are a mammal that lays eggs encompassing the two/one motif and have a venomous spur. Maybe they'll put more information out which makes viper seem a sensible or appropriate name, but the trailer did not convey that.
    If it has a fur coat, swims, and lays eggs, then sure, a Job named Platypus would make sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by keichirou View Post
    so what will happen if the job doesn't include any type of DoTs in the form of poison??

    btw snakes are venomous.
    To be fair, many/most snakes aren't venomous. Vipers are, but snakes in general aren't. Poisons don't have to be DoTs. Addle is the evolution of Virus, a disease/bioweapon spell. And isn't a DoT.

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    I'm waiting to see the full reveal/media tour to see if the name truly fits, but from what we know - we literally only know it dual wields and has a thief sword/swallow combination weapon, have seen what appears to be a 1-2-3-4 combo, one combined weapon strike, one power-up animation, and Locke's LB from Dissida. That's VERY little to insist that the name doesn't fit based off of.

    EDIT:

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkpaw View Post
    Monk should be named Fighter
    Mostly with you (though EW SMN fits the Summoner idea a lot better than most), but for this one on Monk. Blackbelt/Master was a Job in OG FF1, and Monk was fully developed as a Job by, at latest, FFTactics. Agree with you on some of the other ones, though. (GNB is some variation of Fighter/Warrior.)
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    Last edited by Renathras; 10-26-2023 at 05:27 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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    Raikai's Avatar
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Viper as a name is growing on me slowly, like a harsh.

    The name I have issue with is actually Sage. To me it just doesn't evoke the feeling of the job... If I could choose, it would be something like Artificer (generally a spellcaster who uses arcane tools) and it would even have the cool ART acronym lol.
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    Ruin Darkstride
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    I felt pretty "meh" about it at first, but it's growing on me. I think the name is just supposed to evoke the style of being fast and deadly. If it were an assassin job, the name might feel more fitting. However, with the swords combining to a Twinblade and channeling ancient powers, I'm wondering what it's actual combat style is. The reveal trailer is far too light on details to make any real judgments.
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    I guess in the absence of any other information on the job, everyone has to doom and gloom about the one thing that they do know: the name

    What on earth would change about the job if it was called something else? Is it gonna feel bad or cringe or something, because you have to say 'I'm a Viper main' instead of 'I'm a Blademaster main'? Not to mention, how does Blademaster make any sense? Is a Samurai not a master of the blade? Hunter is already a class from previous FF games, and uses bows, etc

    I know I take issue with the most benign stuff in this game sometimes, but even I'm not this picky about stuff jesus
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    I guess in the absence of any other information on the job, everyone has to doom and gloom about the one thing that they do know: the name

    What on earth would change about the job if it was called something else? Is it gonna feel bad or cringe or something, because you have to say 'I'm a Viper main' instead of 'I'm a Blademaster main'? Not to mention, how does Blademaster make any sense? Is a Samurai not a master of the blade? Hunter is already a class from previous FF games, and uses bows, etc

    I know I take issue with the most benign stuff in this game sometimes, but even I'm not this picky about stuff jesus
    Billions must cry lmao.
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    Momoida Jojoida
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    I think I'm ok with the name. Very clearly snake-themed, though we'll have to see more of the job down the line.
    One thing I do like about it is that it doesn't clearly bring to mind a particular "profession", so to speak. Jobs like samurai, ninja, paladin, and the epitome of this, warrior, do.
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    There's a part of me that's wondering if Viper is going to be the name of the individual who gives us the job crystal, or the organization that individual belongs to, and the devs are just using the name as a placeholder because they are still trying to come up with a good name for the job. I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?
    Dragoon is named Dragon Knight in some languages (Chevalier Dragon/Ryuukishi (roughly romanized))

    Admittedly, dragons don't exactly exist, but yeh

    Also, the name is probably like, the first thing that's banged out in the design meetings. That, and/or the weapon, interchangeably. I'd assume 'scythe user' was settled on before the name 'Reaper'. Either way, announcing a new job and not having the name finalized would be absolutely awful in terms of how many Kotaku articles it'd spawn
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    Callisto E'elyaa
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Not much opinion on the name...

    It just seems a waste to have the quest started in Uldah instead of Gridania because the GC there is Twin Adder and that would fit more for job literally that snake name in another language that wield twin blades...
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    idk, I'm going through the job list in my head and most of them tell you something about the job just in the name

    Paladin: holy protector
    Warrior: eh..a stretch
    Dragoon: Dragon fighter, a FF staple
    Monk: melee fighter
    etc

    Viper: twinblade specialist..?

    I don't know, I can't help but feeling we're missing the core identity of the job that SE is hiding for now.
    So, what does a gunbreaker do? What kind of weapon does a warrior use? Does a dark knight ride a dark horse?

    As I've said before, "viper" conjures up an idea of a quick-striking blade user, much more readily than those other names suggest anything specific in terms of fighting style or weapon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    ... the devs are just using the name as a placeholder because they are still trying to come up with a good name for the job. I mean, none of the other jobs are named after animals, right?
    This just feels like scraping for any reason to discredit the name. There is no reason why one discipline can't be named after an animal, nor any reason why others would also need to share the pattern before one is allowed to do so.
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