Viper would of been better if it had a different name

[Shurrikhan]

All the defenders ignore that viper is still the name of an animal. "We have 5 vipers with us". The job or actual snakes?

Such never hurt Guardian Druids or BMs. Never seen anyone wonder whether the "bear" is a pet or player (Guardian), or the latter is a ranged DPS (Beast Masters) or flatulence/rudeness.

If red mage was brand new now, people would be complaining about how unimaginative another "colour mage" is and how it makes no sense that black+white magic = red, and they should have called it something that conveys the job better.

Ngl, Red Mage would probably have a lot more cred with (and perceivable lore/world-building depth to) some folks if there were actually a legitimate explanation for why white magic + black mage = red magic.

[Ryvick]

I like the thought of the class but I think when people say creative they are being disingenuous (or aren't very creative to start with). It feels too literal animal and not actually the slightest bit esoteric. Earlier in the thread I suggested "Twin-Fang" (Feels less literal while still keeping the vague animal reference) and if they really want to go with something venomous could have gone with "Venomic" (A bit more obscure)

[hynaku]

It kind of looks like a vampire hunter to me with the sword designs.

[Yuella]

Gunbreakers are named that because they fight to break the Garleans' gunblades...with their own gunblades, or something to that effect.

[BRVV]

Such never hurt Guardian Druids or BMs. Never seen anyone wonder whether the "bear" is a pet or player (Guardian), or the latter is a ranged DPS (Beast Masters) or flatulence/rudeness.

FFXIV is not WoW. Can we aggree on that?

The wondering was meant for NPCs but of course they are never going to be written like that even though it would be realistic. In DBZ no character misunderstood if "Vegeta" meant the king of saijyans, his son or the planet.

[Shurrikhan]

FFXIV is not WoW. Can we aggree on that?

Mate, you were saying people wouldn't be able to tell whether a reference to vipers would be to the job/people or to animals.

There are Ninja NPCs featured prominently in XIV, yet that has never caused confusion as to whether one means a plauer or NPC. There are also NPC dragoons, marauders, summoners, and nearly every other job, usually with some sort of presumably attachment to a particular order/organization.

Similarly, there are both NPC bears (pets) involved even in player combat in WoW, yet that has never caused them to be confused with Bears (Guardian Druids).

[BRVV]

Mate, you were saying people wouldn't be able to tell whether a reference to vipers would be to the job/people or to animals.

If you think i said that, read again. I am done with painstakingly trying to have mmo junkies understand a basic argument.

[ForsakenRoe]

And even then, to call an extremely narrow, unidimensional job concept like "viper", where the only thing it seems to have going for it is two swords and a snake motif, "truly original", is I think deluding oneself. This is, by far, the shallowest, non-design we have seen in a job to date. Despite what people are saying, it really isn't *creative* on the same level of prior job designs. It is amateurish.

Sir you have seen five skill animations (from multiple angles) and one promo art, can you please at least wait until the media tour gives us the tooltips for the skills before you go about claiming people are 'deluding oneself' or whatever, it seems very pretentious and if there is any possibility that the job turns out to be very thematically linked to the name 'Viper', it would be a shame for someone to end up with an entire box of eggs on their face after all of... whatever this is. There is the chance that it won't, and it'll just be 'fast man job #4', but until we see the full action list I do not see the point in getting so worked up over the name. Or after we see the action list, to be honest

Also, Hunter and Ranger both imply bows, or some sort of ranged weapon (Hunter in the past FFs I've played used Greatbows, for example), to most people. I can't imagine a melee range Hunter going any better than WOW's melee range Hunter (one of the least played specs in the whole game, constantly complained about for taking away the gameplay of old Surv), and I don't see how it makes much sense to have a class called Ranger have no range. Also, if Thief and Pirate have 'negative connotations', I'd expect Raider to be even worse for it, given the pillaging and raping that usually occurred on raids in history. The 'Tomb Raider' angle also is like... you raid a tomb, you're stealing from it. If there's a Thief in a tomb, they're gonna be stealing from it, the terms are synonymous

If you would prefer a different name instead of Viper, more power to you. But I would bet real money that if the word 'Ranger' had appeared on that screen instead of Viper, the audience would have been unimaginably whelmed. Whelmed, and confused as to why it's got a dual-thingy blade instead of something that can hit from more than 6y ingame distance away, like a crossbow

If you think i said that, read again. I am done with painstakingly trying to have mmo junkies understand a basic argument.

Okay so

All the defenders ignore that viper is still the name of an animal. "We have 5 vipers with us". The job or actual snakes?

The wondering was meant for NPCs but of course they are never going to be written like that even though it would be realistic.

You said it could be an issue for NPCs being unable to discern, in-character during a conversation, whether they are in the midst of a group of Vipers (the job), vipers (the animal), or perhaps vipers (disparaging insult towards someone, often a traitor). For the player, we can tell based on context, and because the job name is capitalized as it is a proper noun. For the NPCs, as mentioned by others, this has yet to cause an issue when discerning between warriors (people who fight) and Warriors (berserking job with big axe), or scholars (learned people) or Scholars (healer discipline from Nym, which makes use of a Fairy and maths).

Maybe your 'basic argument' just sucks

[BRVV]

Maybe your 'basic argument' just sucks

In universe but you can always write it they way you want it. That's also why the "warrior" thing was never a problem With the same arguments every character could have the same name. If the writers decide everyone understands it perfectly no problem right? Just not realistic. But hey you all defend a new job because it MIGHT have a reason for the name. Copium must be nice.

Added: with all of the "wait until X" i don't get why there are topics about DT content at all. DT isn't even close to being out. All this could be totally useless, which is fitting for this forum

[Luluya]

Its certainly not what I expected for a new job name but if people can distinguish warriors(lowercase as in the many combatant's referred to as this in-game) from Warriors(the specific berserking inner beast job), I don't see how Viper could be problematic for a name.