Thoughts on Viper?

[Mikey_R]

If we compared Viper's reveal to Reapers then yeah it is almost objectively a worse reveal.

If we compare it to other reveals, Reaper is an outlier. In general, they don't show flashy animations and keep things to a minimum in terms of flair, generally not even showing level cap actions. Reaper breaks this as everything is flashy, including their 123 combo with the vibrant teal and black weapon trails.

Take any other job and you would be hard pressed to make a reveal look as appealing as Reaper whilst still following the general constraints they tend to have when making these reveals. If all reveal trailers from now on are going to be compared to Reaper, just because it is flashy, then people are going to be severely disappointed, as most jobs just aren't that flashy to begin with.

[Kalaam]

A much fairer comparison would be to Sage

[Zolvolt]

"Feels like pugilist got tired of punching and picked up swords, just initial trailer makes me meh about it, but we'll see when more info comes out."

"just initial trailer makes me meh about it, but we'll see when more info comes out."

"but we'll see when more info comes out."

You literally just did what you accuse others of, you read the first part of what I said then jumped on conclusions.

No I read your entire post. Nothing you said changes that you felt the job was similar to pugilist. I also mentioned multiple people complaining or making false comparisons, not just you. You were just the most recent at the time so you got the quote.

[Llynethil]

No I read your entire post. Nothing you said changes that you felt the job was similar to pugilist. I also mentioned multiple people complaining or making false comparisons, not just you. You were just the most recent at the time so you got the quote.

It's called a first impression and nothing wrong with that if you also realize like I did, and this is the part you didn't read 4 times already, "But we'll see when more info comes out"

[Arkdra]

Unenthusiastic but the actions looked great. My lack of enthusiasm is pretty much due to externalities like Viper not being a name with any immediate resonance, being disappointed it wasn't cutlass+gun, and the job having to overcome my personal hurdle of not liking the way scouting gear looks. So like, it was a fine trailer but not fine enough to get me over those hurdles.

[Chasingstars]

Can't say much other than it looks like what Rogue was meant to turn into instead of Ninja. But all we really saw was it doing some resource building with a basic combo and then activated some gauge-looking ability.

[Renathras]

A much fairer comparison would be to Sage

Agreed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASTGVJLBX14

Diagnosis.
Dosis III.
Eukrasian Diagnosis.
Toxicon II.

That's literally all they did. "flashy lasers" aside, we didn't know what they were, but this was effectively Physic, Broil, Adlo, and kinda-sorta Ruin 2/Energy Drain (take your pick). Imagine a "SCH reveal trailer" that just had them doing their /bstance, casting Physic, Broil, Adlo, and Energy Drain, then their /vpose.

Someone else (Mikey, I think) did a comparison to RPR and GNB (I think?) showing they did very little as well. GNB did their 1 and 3 combo steps, Superbolide, and Heart of Stone, they just did more dynamic angles and "instant replays" of parts of the attack or broke up the attacks, like GNB's -3 [which has 4 swipes] making it look like separate attacks or whatnot. But other than the "more dynamic angles and instant replay", the GNB trailer didn't show any more than the VIP one has, and the SGE one showed less. No Eukrasia Dosis, and no oGCD heals, CD or Addersgall based. It didn't even show Kardia.

[Darkpaw]

Agreed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASTGVJLBX14

Diagnosis.
Dosis III.
Eukrasian Diagnosis.
Toxicon II.

That's literally all they did. "flashy lasers" aside, we didn't know what they were, but this was effectively Physic, Broil, Adlo, and kinda-sorta Ruin 2/Energy Drain (take your pick). Imagine a "SCH reveal trailer" that just had them doing their /bstance, casting Physic, Broil, Adlo, and Energy Drain, then their /vpose.

Someone else (Mikey, I think) did a comparison to RPR and GNB (I think?) showing they did very little as well. GNB did their 1 and 3 combo steps, Superbolide, and Heart of Stone, they just did more dynamic angles and "instant replays" of parts of the attack or broke up the attacks, like GNB's -3 [which has 4 swipes] making it look like separate attacks or whatnot. But other than the "more dynamic angles and instant replay", the GNB trailer didn't show any more than the VIP one has, and the SGE one showed less. No Eukrasia Dosis, and no oGCD heals, CD or Addersgall based. It didn't even show Kardia.

Out of curiousity I went back from the RDM teaser through Viper, they’re all basically the same. We really wont see much until the job action trailer and the media tour embargo gets lifted. That’s when we’ll know a lot more info.

[Gullis]

I like their aesthetic and armor. I like the look of a Rouge-ish dualwielder, that is not a ninja. Having some more down to earth jobs is a good thing imo.

Maybe not a huge fan if the glowing blue parts, but wont see that with effects off anyway.

[Gullis]

Compare that to MCH's 1-2-3 combo where my Roe is doing pointless summersaults and cartwheels every second shot. There is no weight behind it, feels like I might as well be shooting foam nerf bullets..

can relate. I was extremly annoyed when I uppgraded my old 1-2-3 into whatever circus acrobatics I have now. its like, I have a gun, just aim and shoot man! Fancy moves are cool and all, but its just too much when it has to be in your 123 rotation