Thoughts on Viper?

[SeverianLyonesse]

The point of a teaser is to... tease, not reveal the whole job.

FF XIV Viper seems to take some inspiration from Locke's Sky Mirage Dive.
With Zidane's weapon style, it really pushes the idea of what if Rogue was an actual job rather than a class.

I have good expectations

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing Locke in it. I also think they naturally will pull a little Terra into the job since we seem to have a trance mode. With Zidane being the glue that kind of holds it all together.

I'm not getting any Gabranth, which it is sad that we won't see a judge job, but I can swallow that disappointment if they were insisting on a Zidane-inspired job. Not even that I particularly care for or wanted anything from FF IX, but if they had a solid vision then I would rather they go with that first. Question still remains if this vision actually is solid, though.

Not really digging the Viper name. It feels too Assassin-y when I think the job wanted to be more of a Hunter or Ranger archetype. It's trying to be Thief AND Assassin AND Ranger/Hunter (AND Trancer, and possibly Spellblade) and pleasing no one. I suspect they didn't want to use "Hunter" for PC reasons, which I can't blame, but there had to have been better options than "Viper".

It would be different if I could find any real world reference to some sort of hunter or assassin group being called vipers, but the best I've got is Kill Bill.

Wait...is this just the Kill Bill job?

[EdwinLi]

I like it but won't be changing my main job to it so it is another expansion sticking to Machinist.

It is a mix of Zidane and Gabranth in my opinion. It maybe the Job SE decide to develop more into the Rogue style of combat now since the Ninja Job has been shifting away from it over the expansions and replace their more rogue/assassin skills with Ninja Ninjutsu skills.

[Zofian]

I don't like that it uses blue swooshes. It's too close to reaper's teal aoes, even though this was effectively for the Viper version of Enshroud. How about green or orange.

I hope viper has some unique something-somethings. Melee DPS has Leg Sweep already, but perhaps an AoE stun aswell would be nice, like White Mage's Holy, something you don't need to use to play the role- but can be quite useful in certain scenarios. Perhaps it could stun and give regen potency or time based on how many enemies were stunned/hit, with a 45 second cooldown? Make sure healer regens don't cancel/override it.

A 'vault' skill that has you to use the joined swords to get off the ground to dodge a mechanic you are standing in (and helicopter blade-it down to the ground for extra air time lol).

Provided Viper brings a few new tricks to the table that no current job has, that would allow you play dungeons/mechanics in interesting ways, I'm in.

[Tracewood]

I wanted this type of job since the beginning of XIV, a dual sword melee like Rogue. A Twinblade in the moveset is a nice bonus. So yeah, I'll be playing this upon early access for sure it's been my dream job class when it comes to RPGs.

[VentVanitas]

I have to admit I'm a little biased because I love dual swords, but the bare minimum I'm asking of SE for this job is to not make it a Reaper clone, that's it. please be a little more creative rather than just making another builder-spender burst DPS. Yoshida also said the job was "technically demanding" and... I'm sorry but I have absolutely no reason to believe that lol.

other than that I wish the name wasn't so... boring. Viper? really? I would've taken Blademaster or Swiftmaster or literally anything else.

[CKNovel]

other than that I wish the name wasn't so... boring. Viper? really? I would've taken Blademaster or Swiftmaster or literally anything else.

Should SQEX renamme Dragoon into Lancer or Spearmaster then?

[VentVanitas]

How is blademaster less boring than viper ?

I'm just disappointed at how plain Viper sounds personally and the point I was making is that I would've taken any other name for it. does it matter what it's called? no, which is why I offhandedly said it in my original post in the first place.

Should SQEX renamme Dragoon into Lancer or Spearmaster then?

nope, didn't say that.

[CKNovel]

nope, didn't say that.

The point wasn't to make a strawman argument, but to ask honestly why is "Viper" boring while "Dragoon" isn't?
Why have 2 different standards when both could have been named "Blademaster" and "Spearmaster"?

Viper has much more meaning behind its name, it could be an assassin group named the "Vipers", a reference to the use of 2 sharp swords just like Viper fangs.
On the opposite, I'd argue that "Blademaster" or "Assassin" are too plain and generic in contrary to Viper which makes reference to the deadly animal and the sword.

[Kalaam]

How is blademaster less boring than viper ?

[SpeckledBurd]

Honestly if a Dual Sword job with no magic/ninjutsu was available when I started playing in Heavensward I would have jumped on it immediately, so I won't lie I love the aesthetic. It's kind of a bummer for anyone who was hoping for it to have a gun or another weapon in the offhand and honestly I think the reveal of "Look he's got another sword!" in the trailer was honestly kinda lame.

I'll probably give it a try, I didn't care for the Reaper aesthetic and I still tried it.