Echoes of Vana'diel FFXI Alliance Raid

[Cach]

Well, I guess the XI crossover events will become canon?
Shantotto (or at least a version of her) has already been on Eorzea. So maybe they'll start to build from there.

I only tested FFXI for a couple of months, couldn't really absorb any lore, mmm... I wonder if there are any good videos about that.

[SannaR]

Dang Vyerus you act like Catwho got everything wrong about the various stories of XI instead of give a shorter summary.

Anywho I didn't have this in mind when thru had said the raid would be more FF than even Myths were. Not sure if I did have an idea what for a "I put some FF into your FF" that'll be the most FF you can get. As I said in another thread I'm not sure how I feel about more XI. I just hope they blend it in akin to how they did it with Ivalice. Otherwise you all might get to see all my bitterness I have about more so the playerbase back when I played XI color my opinion of this raid than the game itself. I just hope it's not a retread just with an XI lense as there's a lot of things XIV and XI have done similar.

[Jettinson]

Huh, while I am not that overjoyed I noticed how FFXI, FFXII/Tactics ended up getting their alliance raid + field operations (Eureka and Bozja).

So I find that cool

[DiscoDuck]

Gimmie my Galka minion please!(And if it's Zeid then I guess I gotta play more, as I have only been playing when I feel like it)

[Griss]

As a Person who came from Xi, I am hopefully optimistic. There are a bunch of fun enemy's and frenimes that they could put in our way. I will be upset if they Do not Put the Shadow lord, Eald'narche in our way at least. and of course the ultimate bad in the final set. Will be the undefeatable, Implacable, devastating. the one the only, the singular name who strikes fear into any soul who has set foot in vana. BUBBLY BURNY

[Mayhemmer]

One thing I'd like them to not repeat from Nier and Myths of the Realm: waiting until the conclusion to start trying to tell the story.

Nier's implementation has it's own host of issues, but by the time the third raid rolled around, I still just wasn't invested. It didn't feel like there was a story being told until the last minute. We only went to a place for some reason, and a thing happened there, twice. I couldn't be asked to care what was happening by the conclusion (or after), so I didn't. Yoko Taro's artificial mysticism doesn't mystify me, and maybe that's a me thing, but it hurt my experience.

Myths had the leg up of being relevant to the game's world, with figures we've known about since the beginning, which was great. But, it had the same issue for me. You go to the place, the gods say "Fight me," you fight them, they thank you for fighting them, and give a cryptic "ah, our plan is in motion..." Twice... It's nice that the follow-up quests do hit on older lore bits, and even confirm a handful of fan theories that have been around forever, which didn't hurt it, imo. Again, it wasn't until the third that the writing itself started trying to make the pieces come together, even if you could see most of it coming miles before that.

I just want to be intrigued right off the bat. I want to be invested immediately. I don't want it to wait until the end of the expansion for Echos to try to pull the curtain away and reveal it's one singular big thing*. No more magic fingers in our face with somebody saying "OoooOOoo what could be happeniiiinnnngggg???" please.

EDIT*: I'd like it to have more than one singular thing, actually. It's been a hot minute since the Ivalice raids, but those felt like stories that you would be thinking about and piecing together for longer than it takes for the final cutscene to finish, and while I admit there were parts I didn't get, it felt like a story with interconnected threads and characters. I want that again.

[Raikai]

One thing I'd like them to not repeat from Nier and Myths of the Realm: waiting until the conclusion to start trying to tell the story.

Nier's implementation has it's own host of issues, but by the time the third raid rolled around, I still just wasn't invested. It didn't feel like there was a story being told until the last minute. We only went to a place for some reason, and a thing happened there, twice. I couldn't be asked to care what was happening by the conclusion (or after), so I didn't. Yoko Taro's artificial mysticism doesn't mystify me, and maybe that's a me thing, but it hurt my experience.

Myths had the leg up of being relevant to the game's world, with figures we've known about since the beginning, which was great. But, it had the same issue for me. You go to the place, the gods say "Fight me," you fight them, they thank you for fighting them, and give a cryptic "ah, our plan is in motion..." Twice... It's nice that the follow-up quests do hit on older lore bits, and even confirm a handful of fan theories that have been around forever, which didn't hurt it, imo. Again, it wasn't until the third that the writing itself started trying to make the pieces come together, even if you could see most of it coming miles before that.

I just want to be intrigued right off the bat. I want to be invested immediately. I don't want it to wait until the end of the expansion for Echos to try to pull the curtain away and reveal it's one singular big thing*. No more magic fingers in our face with somebody saying "OoooOOoo what could be happeniiiinnnngggg???" please.

EDIT*: I'd like it to have more than one singular thing, actually. It's been a hot minute since the Ivalice raids, but those felt like stories that you would be thinking about and piecing together for longer than it takes for the final cutscene to finish, and while I admit there were parts I didn't get, it felt like a story with interconnected threads and characters. I want that again.

Honestly, Myths of the Realm is an interesting storyline because we get to actually know them, but maybe it could fit better into a sidequest chain like Tataru's Grand Endeavor or even a book dedicated only to the mythical lore from Etheirys (Twelve, Kami, Sisters, etc).

[Mayhemmer]

Honestly, Myths of the Realm is an interesting storyline because we get to actually know them, but maybe it could fit better into a sidequest chain like Tataru's Grand Endeavor or even a book dedicated only to the mythical lore from Etheirys (Twelve, Kami, Sisters, etc).

I liked talking to them, yeah. Even if the casual nature of just going around with the Twelve was off-putting to me at first, getting to see the personalities of each was a big plus and one of the reasons I was invested. That was nice.

[MonsutaMan]

Everyone here may know I am a huge XI fan, but it is pretty odd how the biggest XI news in years wasn't from the actual FFXI game........lol......SE hates XI so much, they would rather give other games XI content than XI.

Anyway......It would be more intriguing if both games borrowed jobs and AF armor from one another. So XIV would get GEO, COR, etc, XI gets MCH, SGE, etc.

Not a raid guy; subbed to complete the story.

[Vyrerus]

Everyone here may know I am a huge XI fan, but it is pretty odd how the biggest XI news in years wasn't from the actual FFXI game........lol......SE hates XI so much, they would rather give other games XI content than XI.

Anyway......It would be more intriguing if both games borrowed jobs and AF armor from one another. So XIV would get GEO, COR, etc, XI gets MCH, SGE, etc.

Not a raid guy; subbed to complete the story.

You commented on my XI LP a few weeks back, and I recognized the name from here.

I agree.

Though it'd be pretty funny if the content XIV gets is just like, 3 24 mans of more Sortie lmao