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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    That's exactly why it comes off as unfinished. Comparing it to the Reaper reveal is like night and day.
    Reaper job action looks like this:

    Waxing Slice > Infernal Slice > Waxing Slice > Infernal Slice > Unveiled Gibbet > Infernal Slice > Slice > Unveiled Gibbet > Gibbet > Enshroud > Void Reaping x3

    By my count, that is 7 unique actions that were shown.

    In contrast to Viper, I counted 8 unique actions. (Slice up, then down > Stabby stabby [x2] > Quick slices > Quick slices with down slash [x2] > Spinny spinny with the swords joined [x2]> 3 slashed with joined swords > blue aura activate > Phantom rush with swords).

    Neither of them show of any sort of context in how they play, just what we could assume based on past experiences. Again, I don't see how you can call it looking incomplete when all we really have are animations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Reaper job action looks like this:

    Waxing Slice > Infernal Slice > Waxing Slice > Infernal Slice > Unveiled Gibbet > Infernal Slice > Slice > Unveiled Gibbet > Gibbet > Enshroud > Void Reaping x3

    By my count, that is 7 unique actions that were shown.

    In contrast to Viper, I counted 8 unique actions. (Slice up, then down > Stabby stabby [x2] > Quick slices > Quick slices with down slash [x2] > Spinny spinny with the swords joined [x2]> 3 slashed with joined swords > blue aura activate > Phantom rush with swords).

    Neither of them show of any sort of context in how they play, just what we could assume based on past experiences. Again, I don't see how you can call it looking incomplete when all we really have are animations.
    If you can't see the enormous difference in polish between those two teasers, I really don't know what to tell you.

    Give it a couple of days to let the fanfest endorphins wear off I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Reaper job action looks like this:

    Waxing Slice > Infernal Slice > Waxing Slice > Infernal Slice > Unveiled Gibbet > Infernal Slice > Slice > Unveiled Gibbet > Gibbet > Enshroud > Void Reaping x3

    By my count, that is 7 unique actions that were shown.

    In contrast to Viper, I counted 8 unique actions. (Slice up, then down > Stabby stabby [x2] > Quick slices > Quick slices with down slash [x2] > Spinny spinny with the swords joined [x2]> 3 slashed with joined swords > blue aura activate > Phantom rush with swords).

    Neither of them show of any sort of context in how they play, just what we could assume based on past experiences. Again, I don't see how you can call it looking incomplete when all we really have are animations.
    its true same thing happen with GNB
    they didn't even show off continuation
    trailer was
    Keen edge>super bolide>brutal shell>Nebula and Solid barrel
    repeating each action twice for cinematic effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    I don't know how you can say it's unfinished when we have only seen a small amount of actions.

    Regardless though, the next time we will see anything new will be in the bench mark, you can often see a new action in there and after that, the job action trailer for Dawntrail, which will show alot more.
    To support this even further, remember GNB teaser, 1 2 3, 120s and Bolide.
    Or RPR teaser, 1 2 3, gauge spender, enshroud, gcd under enshroud.

    I feel like many are disliking the job just because it's not corsair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    To support this even further, remember GNB teaser, 1 2 3, 120s and Bolide.
    Or RPR teaser, 1 2 3, gauge spender, enshroud, gcd under enshroud.

    I feel like many are disliking the job just because it's not corsair.
    More likely it's just all they know how to do. Some of these people joined the forums back in like 2013/2014, so you'd think they'd know how this works by now, but I guess it's hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    I feel like many are disliking the job just because it's not corsair.
    This exactly my sentiment. People don't like it because they wanted something else. It was similar to Dancer where people thought it was going to be a new healer but it turned out to be a DPS instead (which lead to the whole revealing what roles the new jobs will be).

    The best thing to do is to always keep yourself at a neutral stance until the reveal as, if you get too hyped for something that hasn't been revealed, you are going to be disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    This exactly my sentiment. People don't like it because they wanted something else. It was similar to Dancer where people thought it was going to be a new healer but it turned out to be a DPS instead (which lead to the whole revealing what roles the new jobs will be).

    The best thing to do is to always keep yourself at a neutral stance until the reveal as, if you get too hyped for something that hasn't been revealed, you are going to be disappointed.
    I honestly didn't really care about corsair in the slightest. Wasn't invested because I'm not a melee dps type of person. But this? Meh, still apathetic. Someone said the name while I was going after an S rank earlier and my initial reaction was "What the hell kind of name is viper?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    To support this even further, remember GNB teaser, 1 2 3, 120s and Bolide.
    Or RPR teaser, 1 2 3, gauge spender, enshroud, gcd under enshroud.

    I feel like many are disliking the job just because it's not corsair.
    Here's my 2 cents, as someone who didn't care either way what the job would be: GNB, DNC, RPR, and even SGE (perhaps even SAM and RDM, didn't bother looking) had their reveal trailers shot from different, dynamic angles, and even in movement - even used some emotes for extra flare. By contrast, Viper (VPR?) "cameraman" felt quite stale, like he's just... standing there, hitting a glorified dummy rather than fighting something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    I feel like many are disliking the job just because it's not corsair.
    That's exactly what it is. I remember in the lead up to Sage's reveal, the fanbase (Here, reddit, other forums, half my FC.) had all convinced themselves the healer was going to be Chemist. A potion chucking healer with a plague doctor style artifact gear. And when I say 'convinced themselves' I mean, actively spreading misinformation that yoshi-p had basically come out and vocally confirmed it'll be Chemist. And if you dared to suggest it was going to be something other then Chemist, you got shouted at, told you were on copium, all the usual jazz.

    Then Sage got revealed. And all those people went DEAD. SILENT. Then slowly came out of the woodwork huffing the highest grade copium. "Oh, this is just a modernization of Chemist." "Ah, it's basically Chemist." "Just magitek Chemist." while others were basically doing what a lot of folks here are.
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    Nice reveal.

    Looks fun - But not enough to deter me away from doing MSQ with Reaper, given I'd need to go from 80-90.

    So I'm starting with either Reaper, or we'll see how the next new class looks.
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