New Job: Viper

[Shurrikhan]

World of Warcraft Hunter, Aspect of the Viper.

Why are we reaching this far when Kiss of the Viper was a literal FFXIV Rogue ability.

As for the name, Viper, more generally... it tends to pop up in fiction as a name for orders of assassins or enforcers of a sort that, once disturbed, are lethal in a quick and "no witnesses" sort of way (by stealth or by comprehensiveness), usually either per some sort of peasant militia, a professional guild, or a part of organized crime.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Why are we reaching this far when Kiss of the Viper was a literal FFXIV Rogue ability.

As for the name, Viper, more generally... it tends to pop up in fiction as a name for orders of assassins or enforcers of a sort that, once disturbed, are lethal in a quick and "no witnesses" sort of way (by stealth or by comprehensiveness), usually either per some sort of peasant militia, a professional guild, or a part of organized crime.

Well if it was a Rogue ability, that just makes me further wonder why they are poaching from Ninja's history and not designing something completely distinct. More to the point, I am not trying to find sources to justify it as a Rogue class when virtually nothing about it communicates "Rogue" other than technically being related to Zidane, and being an insufferable edgelord with the cringey snake motifs.

And yeah, I still am not buying it. Firstly, Viper tends to be the name of orders, not archetypal classes. I don't believe it exists as its own archetype in the fantasy lexicon, nor does its name popping up one of any number of animals make it any more or less appropriate as the indisputable best name for an assassin class. And secondly, I don't even really see much in this class as being an "Assassin", and think that those parts that could even be construed as Assassin-ish overlap too heavily with Ninja. I don't think the game needed or wanted an Assassin class when Ninja existed, and I think the most natural way to implement Zidane's job fantasy and overall vibe was as a Hunter. The design of this job screams "Hunter" to me, or "Would-Be-Hunter-If-We-Hadn't-Insisted-On-Retrodding-Ninja's-Edginess".

I'm bored by it. But you are correct about one thing. This job does feel like they carved out "Kiss of the Viper" and tried to make an entire class out of it. And that's just so flippin' boring and uninspired to me. We already have the assassin class. It was Ninja all along. We wanted a SCOUTING class, something to complement Ninja while adding *new* dimensions to scouting, not repeat it.

[SieyaM]

If this job really supposed to be inspired by Zidane then maybe we can hope for some of his limit break abilities thrown in during the burst phase or for the capstone abilities you get. That would make the job more interesting to build gauge with your melee attacks then use Dyne abilities or whatever they want to call it to spend gauge. Or it could be all slashes and dashes and that's all there is. I will say that looking back the the RDM reveal it did include Verflare, which was their strongest spell at the time of release, so this trailer should have included the strongest ability of Viper and I don't remember seeing anything that stood out as such.

[Chasingstars]

With how fast the animations are, I look forward to seeing how silly it will look with a skillspeed investment.

[Pathis]

Honestly what this game needs is /Love emote.

[Iscah]

Honestly what this game needs is /Love emote. There is no power greater than Love, PERIOD. Do that, and watch the change.

And you made your first forum post in two years to tell us something irrelevant to the thread topic... why, exactly?

[SeverianLyonesse]

And you made your first forum post in two years to tell us something irrelevant to the thread topic... why, exactly?

Because Green Mage is gonna be a magical girl.

[Pathis]

Delete this post plz

[Pathis]

And you made your first forum post in two years to tell us something irrelevant to the thread topic... why, exactly?

Because it doesnt allow me to post.

[BRVV]

Because it doesnt allow me to post.

You can only post here? Really???

new job arer always dumped on even 8 months before the new contents go live the only bad thing that needs to be removed are the remaining trolls infesting the forums.

Yeah we know: Reacting "meh" about the tiny information: bad. Reacting hyped about it: good. As the old saying goes: "Please be excited"

Back to topic:
Even if it doesn't turn out to be FF9-ish they should still have some of Zidane's attacks as skill names and animations (remade of course) imho. What do you think?