New Job: Viper

[Amenara]

This.

When people say "some people are going to complain about anything" or "some people refuse to be pleased", this is the sort of thing they're talking about.

SCH looked boring in the Media Tour but Expedience turned out to be hugely successful and enjoyed by people, and SCH is still the meta pick and has been for all of EW. There's an old saying:

"Don't judge a book by its cover."

At least wait until you see what the mechanics are.

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As for the Job itself:

As a person who loves Rogue/Thief archetypes and dislikes Ninja, I'm happy we finally have a Rogue/Thief JOB (not relegated to a class you just upgrade out of). Though I kinda dislike the whole "will be highly technical" thing. I thought that's what NIN was? Having a second Scouting Job that is also highly technical makes little sense to me...but whatever.

I think my excitement was tamed by the job release trailer simply because there wasn't a big hype moment for me and it just didn't feel as cinematic as the reaper trailer was. I think the attacks just looked a lot more subdued compared to the reaper trailer for EW and the trance mechanic for viper just wasn't as cinematic looking as enshroud was for reaper. I am hoping it turns into a thief archetype because I miss having that, but I also wasn't wowed by the trailer they gave us to introduce it.

I am waiting till we actually see it in action in the media tour and when all the abilities get revealed (or leaked) and we get a better look at what it is going to actually be before I form any deep opinions on it other than the superficial its ability looks didn't wow me at all.

[Mayhemmer]

Snip.

This is pretty similar to something I speculated. Maybe dual-stance GCD's building resource, combined-stance spending the same amount for higher potency versions of GCD's, and Pepsi Blue mode being a BIG spend dual-stance mode for your burst window, meaning smart use of when to swap stances to build and spend is key to making sure you aren't overcapping resource while making sure you're at max when your burst comes up.

Alternatively, dual-stance builds, combined spends, and your "stance swap" attack would refresh one stack of OGCDs every time it's used, but is on an increased recast like Six-sided Star, meaning you can't just spam it for infinite OGCD's.

Speculating is fun, though I look forward to seeing the job in action, because learning it will hopefully also be fun.

[Toutatis]

It may be interesting. When I picked up the rogue job initially, I was a bit disappointed that it branched out to ninja. Not that I don’t like ninja, it’s a fun job, but to me it was something else completely and not the progression I had hoped for. This may be more in line with what I expected back then. It’s too early to tell though. We’ll see. Visuals don’t seem over the top which is a good thing for me.

I would have preferred if the job started at lv 60 or 70 instead of 80. 10 lvls go by too fast. We’re also going to get a lot of bad vipers initially as they familiarize themselves with the new kit. Most players don’t seem to ever practice their rotation on dummies. In the first weeks of 6.0 there were lots of sages and reapers that didn’t know what their buttons do. At lvl 80, it’s going to be worse lol. I think 60 offers a good balance: it’s not too “buttony” nor too slow.

[Duskane]

I would have preferred if the job started at lv 60 or 70 instead of 80. We’re going to get a lot of bad vipers initially as they familiarize themselves with the new kit. Most players don’t seem to ever practice their rotation on dummies. In the first weeks of 6.0 there were lots of sages and reapers that didn’t know what their buttons do. At lvl 80, it’s going to be worse lol. I think 60 offers a good balance: it’s not too “buttony” nor too slow.

80 is fine
it could start at lvl 1 and people would still be bad at lvl 100 more leveling doesn't force people to read tool tips

[Kisshu]

Knew I'd seen that stance before.

Funny that they talk about having a fast playstyle with it, yet the trailer makes it seem slow (I know they normally do this, but could have had a faster pace to point out the speed).

[CKNovel]

Petition to rename Paladin to Turtle.

Name a job using a spear "Dragoon" and no one bats an eye.
Name a job using 2 sword "Viper" and suddenly it's a bad name.

Funny that they talk about having a fast playstyle with it, yet the trailer makes it seem slow (I know they normally do this, but could have had a faster pace to point out the speed).

The trailer is meant to take a first look at the animations, they wait a good 2 seconds before using an oGCD but in-game you'll be able to weave it much faster.
We won't see its final gameplay until 7.0, even job actions is subject to change.

[Kyrj]

Name a job using a spear "Dragoon" and no one bats an eye.
Name a job using 2 sword "Viper" and suddenly it's a bad name.



The trailer is meant to take a first look at the animations, they wait a good 2 seconds before using an oGCD but in-game you'll be able to weave it much faster.
We won't see its final gameplay until 7.0, even job actions is subject to change.

Not what I was getting at but go off I guess if it makes you feel better

Also, I hope for your sake you're not thinking that it's named Dragoon because Dragons......

[Boblawblah]

Also, I hope for your sake you're not thinking that it's named Dragoon because Dragons......

I actually did think that it was a translation issue from the Japanese "Dragon Knight". Is that not true? I can't imagine they're named after real life Dragoons.

[kaynide]

I actually did think that it was a translation issue from the Japanese "Dragon Knight". Is that not true? I can't imagine they're named after real life Dragoons.

Short bit of lore, old school FF was super limited by how many characters could be in names/descriptors. Kanji got around a lot of that by doing (like you said) “dragon knight” which is waaay to long for the character limit. So, like many other weird quirks from those days, stuff gets retranslated and poof, “dragoon” it is.

You probably knew this, so this is more directed at anyone interested rather than you specifically!

Wait til we get an Organics AND Ogre Nix!

[Mimilu]

I actually did think that it was a translation issue from the Japanese "Dragon Knight". Is that not true? I can't imagine they're named after real life Dragoons.

Off topic but Dragoon's different iterations are an interesting case study of how that FF world interprets the dragon knight concept. （*´▽｀*）
The idea of Dragoons/Dragon Knights were first introduced in Final Fantasy II as an order of dragon-riding knights who wielded lances, giving them some semblance to IRL Dragoons, who were cavalier units that occasionally used polearms (they were more famous for using firearms and sabers). The English translation went with Dragoon because it's shorter.

They would then be introduced in III as a playable job, where their Jump ability and polearm proficiency would be codified, with the name Dragoon coming from their mastery of the skies like a dragon.

IV's Dragoons were also once dragon riders and Baron's main attack force but with the advent of airships, they were then delegated to the kingdom's defense force, ditching their dragons to instead hone their bodies to jump as high instead. Kain also is the one who codified Dragoon's signature purple/navy armor.

V's Dragoon would stay the course gaining Lance/DragonSword/Lancet, an ability that strikes enemies with the power of a dragon, draining them of HP and MP.

Tactic's Dragoon would focus more on jumping, being able to increase both the vertical and horizontal ranges of their Jumps with the only mentioning of dragons coming from their Dragonheart ability.

IX's Freya and Dragon Knights would introduce knowledge in dragon-slaying to Dragoon's identity.

XI would be the first time a Dragoon would fight with an actual dragon pet, albeit a baby dragon.

And then XIV's DRG, which are an order of dragon slaying knights, going under rigorous training and using powers they unknowingly gained from Ishgard's past betrayal. The most skilled Dragoon would then be chosen to wield the power of the Eye of Nidhogg and gain the legacy title of The Azure Dragoon.
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