Thread: Red mage 7.0 Wishlist

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

Sprint should not consume dual cast

Do not give red mage a dot.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

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Do not give anymore OGCD moves. There is currently too many OGCDs in the opener. Another OGCD would certainly result in a triple weave in the opener.

It depends how it’s implemented. If it’s just yet-another regular ogcd like contre-sixte, Fleche, Displacement and Engagement, sure I agree.
I wouldn’t mind a rework of Displacement, Engagement and Corps-a-Crops. I feel like Displacement and Corps à Corps shouldn’t deal any damage. And I wouldn’t mind Engagement to be replaced by a different ability. I wouldn’t mind a new “crystal like” ogcd.

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

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Give red mage a way of building resource during down time. Other than manafication.

I don’t feel like this is necessary.
BLM gets mana back and Xenoglossy
SMN gets closer to Bahamut/Phoenix
RDM gets closer to Manafication and their ogcd recover
Feels fine to me. VerFire/Earth proc are long enough that unless the boss is out for a really long time, the proc should still be up.

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

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Maintain the current flow
A very common view point is that less is more when it comes to 7.0 changes. Many are agreeing that the class has a very sturdy foundation and flow. It doesn't need an overhaul. Any 7.0 changes shouldn't be too drastic, the rotation that was established in Endwalker is great the way that it is.

The flow Is good, I do feel a few changes are necessary and raising the ceiling a little bit wouldn’t hurt. SMN and RDM feel really … “simple” compared to BLM when it comes to optimizing your cast and rotation for a fight. Not saying they should be as difficult as BLM, but “a bit more” wouldn’t hurt.
My 2 personal wishlist would be
- You need to alternate between VerFlare/Holy as it is weird that those two spells are the only one not affected by the “balance” theme of the RDM. A simple “your next Flare/Holy (opposite) deal 25% more damage” would be enough to ensure the swap.
- The downtime after each verwind/thunder feels really bad as it breaks the flow of cast. We basically spend half of our time doing nothing waiting for the gcd to refresh. I would like the recast time of verThunder/Wind to be reduced to 2.0 or even 1.5s. (although that might be too short)

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

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-Give some way of building resource when the boss is absent in order to meet the same standards as the other two casters during content where bosses leave for prolonged periods of time.

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Perhaps making vercure apply a regen buff to the RDM to both mana (if cast in combat, we don’t need precast before fight). This way RDM could gain a few black/white mp during downtime and it wouldn’t add “yet another” button for something extremely situational

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

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Mobility
Red mage is currently relying on sword combo, their burst, for movement. Where other classes gained utility and quality of life changes to help them move this expansion, red mage is left having to use it's burst to obtain similar mobility.

RDM already have a lot of “omnipresent” mobility, but as you pointed out, it lacks “ongoing mobility”. It’s basically the opposite of the BLM. The BLM could, if he wanted, have 30s of instant cast but then have very little movement.
Overall, with Thunder/Wind, Reprise and Melee combo, RDM mobility is rather solide for about 90% of cases. Managing long movement as a RDM is literally the only technical thing about the job. I don’t think it would serve the job well. When Reprise didn’t exist, I was a fierce advocate of giving RDM something for prolonged movement, they have one now. The melee combo can now be stored granting 6 instant (more like 5 in term of time). Yes, it’s a burst, and so is Xenoglossy and they’re part of the BLM movement tool.

Originally Posted by Milkbeard

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Damage
There is a common belief that red mage's placement in terms of dps and support output isn't landing it in balanced spot in an 8-man team when compared to the other casters.

Y.P recently confirmed that more difficult job should do more dps to reward. This is tricky considering FF14 raiding scene is all about DPS when dealing with harder content. Making BLM an obvious choice. Knowing this, I feel like RDM would benefit from being a bit harder to play if this would grant him access to a bit better DPS. Support is good, but it really falls short when people start to overgear. I feel like verraise hurts RDM more than it helps, often placing it as the “rez-bot-support”. RDM isn’t a support, it’s a DPS.
I personally feel like all caster should have access to a rez. An instant with a 2min CD. This would elleviate the “support burden” the RDM has. (as well as healers stuck in a no SMN/RDM party)

Originally Posted by Sylvain

The downtime after each verwind/thunder feels really bad as it breaks the flow of cast. We basically spend half of our time doing nothing waiting for the gcd to refresh. I would like the recast time of verThunder/Wind to be reduced to 2.0 or even 1.5s. (although that might be too short)

Personally not fond of this idea. The window of "doing nothing" is both where we weave in oGCDs when they're available, as well as what gives us regular movement capabilities. The shorter that becomes, the harder it becomes to weave oGCDs and the less movement we actually get. Given there's already complaints regarding RDM mobility, I'd rather not give up more of that.

I also just don't feel like that "doing nothing" feels that bad? It fits right into the pattern of "cast, dualcast, move/do oGCDs". When no mechanics are happening that require movement, and we don't have oGCDs to hit, it can get a little stale - but if that really needs fixing, I'd rather see other solutions that involve having more things to put in those windows, rather than shortening our Dualcast window itself.

Originally Posted by Komaru_Tatoro

what are ppl thought if you get an upgraded reprise that does not cost blk/white gauge once you done 3 melee. just like how you start the magic combo, even if you mess up the sequence order.

I am actually pretty on board with successful melee combos giving a stack of an upgrade reprise that we can bank for heavy movement mechanics, definitely not a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Komaru_Tatoro

or maybe have an option to spend it during burst too?

This; however, is a terrible idea. If the idea is to give us more movement choices that doesn't involve needing to have 50/50 mana built up, then this inherently takes away that choice. Take this part out of your suggestion Komaru and you have a wonderful suggestion.

Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

One thing I'll give credit to RDM is that I feel every iteration since its introduction has always been an improvement on what came before, something I can't say for a lot of other jobs.
[LIST][*]A new spell to Dualcast into; maybe a cooldown GCD that combines a light and dark motif and increases both Black/White mana at the same rate as Verthunder/Aero.[*]A buff to Reprise, either reducing its gauge cost, increasing its potency a bit, or a temporary upgrade from some other mechanic. It's a weak movement tool at the moment.[*]A cooldown upgrading Veraero and Verthunder into Vertornado and Verburst for a single cast, possibly an Acceleration upgrade.


Sprint not consume Dualcast would be nice

I agree, and I particularly like these suggestions. Buffing reprise echos a similar sentiment discussed on this thread. I believe you're the first to suggest the potential of Veraero and Verthunder having a temporary upgraded version via Acceleration. It honestly sounds sick AF and I am here for it. I think acceleration should upgrade those moves to higher damaging forms, heck yea.