(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Lunaxia]

And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ?

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

[Stormpeaks]

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

stop with this "yeah you got one so what you say is invalid"

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

I lost a lot too.

[Lunaxia]

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

Cool! But that only illustrates how you're still benefitting from the way things are because it falls in line with your desired, slightly warped perception of housing, which very much does affect the validity of the opinion that you're trying to put across as being basic truth.

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

It does, though, and your time-honored way of dealing with arguments by doubling down on something with "because I say so" doesn't actually change anything, lol.

[Nepentha]

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

[Stormpeaks]

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

Thank you.

[Lunaxia]

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way?

Uh, they got a large.

They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted.

No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.

Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point.

Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.

I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter. Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury.

It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.

I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.

Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.

Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh, they got a large.



No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.



Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.



It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.



Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.



Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

I love how this is literally blaming me for what I worked towards and eventually managed to get, that is actually exactly what you're doing, but I am done talking with you at this point, there is no winning with someone so close minded.

Have a good one.

[Lunaxia]

So? Who cares if they got a large? Did they cheat to get it? No? Then their opinions on the matter are still valid.

Not when they're purported as truth while being spoken from a place of pure bias they're not, given that the individual already owns said property they're telling everyone else to deal with not having and they benefit from its scarcity.

As I said, there's a difference between being able to speak your opinion and it actually holding weight.

My point exactly. They followed the same rules as everyone else. Opinion still valid.

But they lucked out, affecting their perception. Not quite.

Ah, now I see. You take exception to their tone.

Ah, no. It's explicitly what they say and the reasoning and motives behind it.

I really wish people would stop comparing housing to combat roles. Totally different animal there. Apples and oranges.

No, it isn't. We all pay a sub for access to content we can play, the majority of which everyone can should they put in the time and energy to acquire the resources and ability to do so - apart from housing, which can gate someone off indefinitely regardless of what they have or do.

On this we agree. But for the time being, and really since housing was introduced in patch 2.1, Stormpeaks is right. Large houses are a luxury, not everyone is meant to have one. You don't have to like it, but they are correct in that assessment.

This is a perception, founded on a broken housing system they have continuously tried to fix on the cheap as the game has expanded but to no avail, and are now looking at more extensive measures to do so that further counters this point of view.

I love how this is literally blaming me for what I worked towards and eventually managed to get, that is actually exactly what you're doing, but I am done talking with you at this point, there is no winning with someone so close minded.

Have a good one.

Pointing out prejudices you've already admitted to isn't victim-blaming, and you leave yourself open to criticism when you try to advertise what you have to say as fact.

[Nepentha]

Not when they're purported as truth while being spoken from a place of pure bias they're not, given that the individual already owns said property they're telling everyone else to deal with not having and they benefit from its scarcity.

As I said, there's a difference between being able to speak your opinion and it actually holding weight.



But they lucked out, affecting their perception. Not quite.



Ah, no. It's explicitly what they say and the reasoning and motives behind it.


No, it isn't. We all pay a sub for access to content we can play, the majority of which everyone can should they put in the time and energy to acquire the resources and ability to do so - apart from housing, which can gate someone off indefinitely regardless of what they have or do.


This is a perception, founded on a broken housing system they have continuously tried to fix on the cheap as the game has expanded but to no avail, and are now looking at more extensive measures to do so that further counters this point of view.

Pointing out prejudices you've already admitted to isn't victim-blaming, and you leave yourself open to criticism when you try to advertise what you have to say as fact.

But it is truth? Large houses are a luxury, that is the way SE set it up at the start of this. Will they change it? I hope so. It sounds like they're considering changing the interior size at the very least. Good news as far as I'm concerned.

But all these weird mental gymnastics are just smoke and mirrors to disguise the tone policing going on here. And, it doesn't change the fact that /right now/ large houses are a luxury. SE did not intend for everyone to have one, or else all houses would have been large from the get go at patch 2.1 and there would be no smalls or mediums.

And Stormpeaks is perfectly welcome to state that. Very strange that you can't seem to just get past it. You don't have to agree.

[Stormpeaks]

But it is truth? Large houses are a luxury, that is the way SE set it up at the start of this. Will they change it? I hope so. It sounds like they're considering changing the interior size at the very least. Good news as far as I'm concerned.

But all these weird mental gymnastics are just smoke and mirrors to disguise the tone policing going on here. And, it doesn't change the fact that /right now/ large houses are a luxury. SE did not intend for everyone to have one, or else all houses would have been large from the get go at patch 2.1 and there would be no smalls or mediums.

And Stormpeaks is perfectly welcome to state that. Very strange that you can't seem to just get past it. You don't have to agree.

That's what I've been trying to make them understand since the beginning really, I have said multiple times in this thread alone that larges ARE a luxury, because they just are, it is just what it is and is pure fact, if a person denies it, they are in denial, they are extremely limited, they are scarce and they are exactly a luxury, instead of accepting that, they are attacking me because I got a large and I "lucked out", and I'm just like "really ?", basically according to that person, the second I claimed my large, I lost any right to an opinion about housing in general and the scarcity of it or the housing system, and it's wrong on so many levels.

I think that this thought could use a slight correction.

For many, it's not just RNG that got them what they want. It was also being willing to go to where the plots were available instead of insisting that the plots should be brought to them.

I don't have a large on Marilith because of luck. I have a large on Marilith because I chose to transfer an alt to where the large houses were available. There were no competitors for the plot I won.

Not know where Stormpeaks has all of their houses, especially any large, it's hard to say what the truth of their specific situation is. Being on Sagittarius, they may have moved there when the world opened and likewise got theirs without competition there due to the low population when housing opened.

Is luck a factor on the worlds where housing has already filled up and the population is greater than the number of plots? Yes. But planning and putting in that little bit of extra effort to take advantage of an opportunity can also play a factor.

If the opportunity was there for you (and it was there for all NA players a year ago) but you chose not to take advantage of it, that was your decision. Don't be dismissive of those who did take advantage of opportunity to get what they wanted just because you didn't choose to do likewise.

I agree with this as well, people refused to move to Dynamis, a lot of them, because they would lose their friends, FC's or whatever else, or even for some small houses that they have worked for, they missed on that chance, but a lot of people did and got their dream plots on Dynamis and are now very happy with it, people didnt take the chance, period, and now they are stuck in an infinite bidding process of constant losses, but the reality is, it was their decision, if they really wanted a house, they could have moved, there are a lot of ways to stay in contact with FC's and friends if you care about housing, DC travel being the biggest, discord and other communication apps, but DC travel is a thing, there wasnt really any excuse to not move if you REALLY wanted a large house.