(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Lunaxia]

People really need to get out of the habit of "Well, you got X, so your opinions as a person are worthless, since you have X".

Uh, because being a Hyur or a Black Mage has nothing to do with your views on the current housing situation regarding large houses, whereas owning one very much does? Do I genuinely need to spell that out? Or the issues with self-interest, bias, or the basic inherent hypocrisy in telling someone to accept a faulty status quo that they do not actually have to deal with? You can share whatever opinion you like, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth the (virtual) paper it's written on, as devastating as that might be for some to hear.

Because it comes off as “I got mine, so everything is just fine the way it is.” I know some people see housing as some sort of prestige system, even though it’s ALL RNG, and the scarcity doesn’t help that. But really, we’re all paying a sub here, we should all have the same access to content.

This is quite literally what it comes down to, or worse, "I feel special for having something limited in supply, so it should stay that way." It's such a ridiculously selfish and boomer-like mentality to have, and there's no valid reason to protest or justify things the way they are. As you say, we're all in the same boat here, and it's a fault of the way housing has been implemented in the first place that it's a matter of luck who benefits, and it absolutely should be fixed.

These self-serving arguments attempting to disguise themselves as tremulous logic have grown so boring.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh, because being a Hyur or a Black Mage has nothing to do with your views on the current housing situation regarding large houses, whereas owning one very much does? Do I genuinely need to spell that out? Or the issues with self-interest, bias, or the basic inherent hypocrisy in telling someone to accept a faulty status quo that they do not actually have to deal with? You can share whatever opinion you like, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth the (virtual) paper it's written on, as devastating as that might be for some to hear.



This is quite literally what it comes down to, or worse, "I feel special for having something limited in supply, so it should stay that way." It's such a ridiculously selfish and boomer-like mentality to have, and there's no valid reason to protest or justify things the way they are. As you say, we're all in the same boat here, and it's a fault of the way housing has been implemented in the first place that it's a matter of luck who benefits, and it absolutely should be fixed.

These self-serving arguments attempting to disguise themselves as tremulous logic have grown so boring.

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

[Lunaxia]

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

Uh... nowhere did we imply that. The fact is that there are thousands just like you, who have the same basic ability and funds to get the housing they want, who have worked just as long, if not longer than you, and continue to work to try to obtain one, who do not deserve to be continuously screwed over over by a terrible housing system that should be accessible to everyone and badly needs fixing because you had the pure fortune of your attempt paying off.

[Stormpeaks]

Uh... nowhere did we imply that. The fact is that there are thousands just like you, who have the same basic ability and funds to get the housing they want, who have worked just as long, if not longer than you, and continue to work to try to obtain one, who do not deserve to be continuously screwed over over by a terrible housing system that should be accessible to everyone and badly needs fixing because you had the pure fortune of your attempt paying off.

And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ? I had the exact same opinion before, and I'll always have that opinion, larges are a luxury, period, not everyone is meant to have one.

It's amazing how me reaching my goal of having a large suddenly invalidates any struggle I might have had to get such large, thus my opinion just becomes invalid

what the hell lol

[Lunaxia]

And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ?

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

[Stormpeaks]

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

stop with this "yeah you got one so what you say is invalid"

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

I lost a lot too.

[Lunaxia]

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

Cool! But that only illustrates how you're still benefitting from the way things are because it falls in line with your desired, slightly warped perception of housing, which very much does affect the validity of the opinion that you're trying to put across as being basic truth.

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

It does, though, and your time-honored way of dealing with arguments by doubling down on something with "because I say so" doesn't actually change anything, lol.

[Nepentha]

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

[Stormpeaks]

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

Thank you.

[Lunaxia]

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way?

Uh, they got a large.

They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted.

No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.

Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point.

Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.

I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter. Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury.

It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.

I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.

Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.

Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.