Make old raid gear purchasable with poetics

[Azlith]

I think it would be really great if we could get the ability to purchase savage raid gear from old expansions with poetics. They could put it behind a "clear wall" where you need to clear the fight that the gear comes from once if they really must. This would be a really great QoL for people who want to get old gear for glamour or alternate gear for alt job leveling without having to try and find (and compete) with several other people who also want to farm old content that can't be solo'd. I guess another option would be to make all old content soloable. I just thought this would be a nice QoL change for the game.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Go to party finder, select savage duty of choice, call it glamour farm, do it unsynced.

It is already brutally easy once you can outgear, outlevel and outecho fights, no need to dumb it down any further. It won't hurt you if you have to play the MMO of the RPG for once. Not everything needs to be.soloable.

[Azlith]

Go to party finder, select savage duty of choice, call it glamour farm, do it unsynced.

And then wait several hours for the group to get enough people to be able to do the handful of mechanics that can't be done alone only to have several people in the group actually have no idea how to do the mechanics that you need them for and if by some miracle, after waiting for hours for the group to fill, you do kill the boss you'll have that one guy that gets the items he wants and then leaves. But yeah sure sounds simple enough. Also not everyone has the time to wait around in pf all day for a group to fill that will maybe be able to kill the boss.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

And then wait several hours for the group to get enough people to be able to do the handful of mechanics that can't be done alone only to have several people in the group actually have no idea how to do the mechanics that you need them for and if by some miracle, after waiting for hours for the group to fill, you do kill the boss you'll have that one guy that gets the items he wants and then leaves. But yeah sure sounds simple enough. Also not everyone has the time to wait around in pf all day for a group to fill that will maybe be able to kill the boss.

Im sorry you don't have friends, free company members or communities helping you out on that and that you suffer from bad players in party finder.

But I will stick to what I said - the fights are absolute piss after mega echo gets added. If people can't manage simple body mechanics after making DPS and Heal checks irrelevant, then thsy can go and pick up normal mode gear. If you insist on dye, suck it up. Poetics is a boring solution and would just kill the last damn reason to ever step into those fights even unsynced.

[Azlith]

Im sorry you don't have friends, free company members or communities helping you out on that and that you suffer from bad players in party finder.

But I will stick to what I said - the fights are absolute piss after mega echo gets added. If people can't manage simple body mechanics after making DPS and Heal checks irrelevant, then thsy can go and pick up normal mode gear. If you insist on dye, suck it up. Poetics is a boring solution and would just kill the last damn reason to ever step into those fights even unsynced.

Never once said that I didn't have the means to go back and do old savage fights though it was a nice attempt at an insult with the no friends bit. I simply thought it would be a nice change for the community at large. You are right, those old fights are extremely easy now especially unsynced. There is no sense of accomplishment for doing those fights anymore. There is quite literally no reason to not let them be soloable. With the proposed change you can still go back and do them synced or unsynced in a group if you so desire, nothing would be stopping you. I suspect a change like this would be so inconsequential to you that it wouldn't change anything about the game for you at all. But hey maybe I'm wrong and your're one of the two people who stroll through the pf just itching to help people get their old glamours. I actually can't believe the pushback on this, there is literally no good reason to oppose something like this. I have cleared every savage fight this expansion and would have zero qualms with them making all of the pandemonium fights soloable come next expansion, it simply would not effect me.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Never once said that I didn't have the means to go back and do old savage fights though it was a nice attempt at an insult with the no friends bit. I simply thought it would be a nice change for the community at large. You are right, those old fights are extremely easy now especially unsynced. There is no sense of accomplishment for doing those fights anymore. There is quite literally no reason to not let them be soloable. With the proposed change you can still go back and do them synced or unsynced in a group if you so desire, nothing would be stopping you. I suspect a change like this would be so inconsequential to you that it wouldn't change anything about the game for you at all. But hey maybe I'm wrong and your're one of the two people who stroll through the pf just itching to help people get their old glamours. I actually can't believe the pushback on this, there is literally no good reason to oppose something like this. I have cleared every savage fight this expansion and would have zero qualms with them making all of the pandemonium fights soloable come next expansion, it simply would not effect me.

No attempt at insult was made regarding your friend status, the devil in the detail was "friends [...] helping you with that". specifically Savage unsync. If you felt it was an attempted insult then you are free to continue believing that. If you specifically have the means to get what you want, good for you.

I have no problem with people having an easier time to obtain glamour - if I did I'd complain about being able to obtain them with unsync.The reasons I specifically give pushback for both mentioned solutions involve the following:

1.) Making it soloable as in putting in additional dev time into ensuring whatever Savage content you think of can be done with less than 8 players beyond initial development is something I disagree with because I consider it wasted dev time. Inflated stats, higher level skills and echo help more than enough.

2.) Making it available for poetics is a working, but lazy approach and simply kills any and all reason for people to engage with old content beyond very specifically teying to clear it for the challenge. This would drastically lessen the shelf life.

[Caro178]

And then wait several hours for the group to get enough people to be able to do the handful of mechanics that can't be done alone only to have several people in the group actually have no idea how to do the mechanics that you need them for and if by some miracle, after waiting for hours for the group to fill, you do kill the boss you'll have that one guy that gets the items he wants and then leaves. But yeah sure sounds simple enough. Also not everyone has the time to wait around in pf all day for a group to fill that will maybe be able to kill the boss.

You will only encounter this problem with maybe the last two raid tiers in historical order. Eventually and with enough ilevel everything becomes completely braindead. Those "impossible" box strat mechanics and Hello World from O12S? Totally and easily skippable now (and have been all expansion.) Light rampant? Who's she? Getting locked into Dwayne or Basic Relativity from E12S? Haven't seen that since 6.0. The only fights that are remotely still challenging and might take a bit of time to fill are the final floors of Asphodelos and Abyssos, in which case... you can watch a guide or just wait until next expansion.

I personally like that these rewards are always exclusive to this content. I enjoy joining unsynched fights I did as raid floors in the past to help out!

[Azlith]

You will only encounter this problem with maybe the last two raid tiers in historical order. Eventually and with enough ilevel everything becomes completely braindead. Those "impossible" box strat mechanics and Hello World from O12S? Totally and easily skippable now (and have been all expansion.) Light rampant? Who's she? Getting locked into Dwayne or Basic Relativity from E12S? Haven't seen that since 6.0. The only fights that are remotely still challenging and might take a bit of time to fill are the final floors of Asphodelos and Abyssos, in which case... you can watch a guide or just wait until next expansion.

I personally like that these rewards are always exclusive to this content. I enjoy joining unsynched fights I did as raid floors in the past to help out!

One of versions of my proposed idea was to have making the items purchasable behind a "clear wall". With this you would still need to clear the fight at least once but there would be no need to find groups to farm it over and over. Also as someone said just a few posts above this it can literally take hours and hours of siting in PF just to find a couple of other people to do an old fight. Not everyone will have 3+ hours to waste sitting around in PF every time they want a new piece of glam.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

One of versions of my proposed idea was to have making the items purchasable behind a "clear wall". With this you would still need to clear the fight at least once but there would be no need to find groups to farm it over and over. Also as someone said just a few posts above this it can literally take hours and hours of siting in PF just to find a couple of other people to do an old fight. Not everyone will have 3+ hours to waste sitting around in PF every time they want a new piece of glam.

That would actually make getting them harder for newer players.



As things are now, everyone has to do the fights for glam. You change that, and anyone who has cleared them no longer has to.



I recently went into O10-12s to farm stuff for glam, it didn't take 3 hours to get parties. Took like 15 minutes.

[CamuiKushi]

Honestly being able to unsync them for glam would be more doable if the devs made body-checks dynamic instead of absolutely needing 8 people for mechanics. There are a few dungeon and extreme mechs that scale to the number of the people in the party, and it's great for soloing/duoing old content.