Thread: Please include Leveling PvP Gear beyond Lv.60

Originally Posted by Mecia

Hm? Whats that? More horrendous out of place modern glams? Here ya go!

Wouldnt be opposed to bringing back leveled gear but id hate to lose potential lv1 glams.

We wont lose anything. Theyd just add level 70/80/90/100 gear and they can even just be shitty recolors of already existing sets for all I care (although I would want new looks). Nothing is stopping the devs to continue adding lv.1 gear which would just be the Trophy Crystal rewards anyway. Were talking about the almost dead Wolf Mark currency that exists in the game.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

We wont lose anything. Theyd just add level 70/80/90/100 gear and they can even just be shitty recolors of already existing sets for all I care (although I would want new looks). Nothing is stopping the devs to continue adding lv.1 gear which would just be the Trophy Crystal rewards anyway. Were talking about the almost dead Wolf Mark currency that exists in the game.

Right, but my assumption is that leveled gear would be designed to fit the game world while lv1 is the usual garbage. Looking at what theyve released for all class glams in EW isnt exactly making me hopeful.

The Wolf Marks still have plenty of use. If you're running around with it fully capped that's on you. The furniture, materia, ventures, etc are still very useful and used often, especially considering the furniture cannot be traded or sold on mb.

There's plenty of other features needed to be worked on by the developers--we're lucky they're still putting as much love into PVP rewards as they do now since it was pretty dead for a while. Even just adding recolors of existing sets at levels 70-90 is space, time, and effort better used elsewhere. You're arguing a very niche standpoint for new players for gear that won't be used for more than a day or two since leveling can be very fast.

Originally Posted by Squishi

The Wolf Marks still have plenty of use. If you're running around with it fully capped that's on you. The furniture, materia, ventures, etc are still very useful and used often, especially considering the furniture cannot be traded or sold on mb.

There's plenty of other features needed to be worked on by the developers--we're lucky they're still putting as much love into PVP rewards as they do now since it was pretty dead for a while. Even just adding recolors of existing sets at levels 70-90 is space, time, and effort better used elsewhere. You're arguing a very niche standpoint for new players for gear that won't be used for more than a day or two since leveling can be very fast.

Doesnt mean that it shouldnt be included. I dont get why people like to make so many easy excuses.

I don't think you comprehended a single word of what was said. The game's growth in the past few years has been more than expected and plenty of players are asking for tons of features and QOL updates by the dozens. Developers can't implement each and every suggestion just because.

Originally Posted by Mecia

Right, but my assumption is that leveled gear would be designed to fit the game world while lv1 is the usual garbage. Looking at what theyve released for all class glams in EW isnt exactly making me hopeful.

I just feel like the opportunity to give more useful rewards is there with PvP.

In fact Im only saying this because Im currently having a friend go through the game for the first time and hes playing it daily at his own pace, getting close to finishing base ARR and lo and behold, the poor sucker is at Lv.60 at his job.

So Ive been recommending him to upgrade his gear via the lv.50/60 PvP sets as he plays through the msq and what a surprise, hes been enjoying it.

But since they stopped presenting more leveled sets, he'll soon run into the problem with queuing for Alliance roulettes because he wont have the ilv needed for it due to his level.

This is why this kind of thing matters in an MMO. Progression is king and I just want for newer players to be able to upgrade their characters naturally without having to rush through the story or having to needless cough up a bunch of gil at the MB for basic sets.

The answer is right there with PvP but the devs went backwards with only making Lv.1 glam rewards.

Imo glam gear should be Trophy Crystals while useful leveling gear should be bought with Wolf Marks. The rewards system needs to be tweaked a bit.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I just feel like the opportunity to give more useful rewards is there with PvP.

In fact Im only saying this because Im currently having a friend go through the game for the first time and hes playing it daily at his own pace, getting close to finishing base ARR and lo and behold, the poor sucker is at Lv.60 at his job.

So Ive been recommending him to upgrade his gear via the lv.50/60 PvP sets as he plays through the msq and what a surprise, hes been enjoying it.

But since they stopped presenting more leveled sets, he'll soon run into the problem with queuing for Alliance roulettes because he wont have the ilv needed for it due to his level.

This is why this kind of thing matters in an MMO. Progression is king and I just want for newer players to be able to upgrade their characters naturally without having to rush through the story or having to needless cough up a bunch of gil at the MB for basic sets.

The answer is right there with PvP but the devs went backwards with only making Lv.1 glam rewards.

Imo glam gear should be Trophy Crystals while useful leveling gear should be bought with Wolf Marks. The rewards system needs to be tweaked a bit.

By the time he is able to access lv 60 alliance raids he will have access to lv 60 poetics gear. The alliance raids of a given expansion aren't accessible until you complete the initial MSQ of that expansion.

Him using lv 60 gear for duties below 60 result in it being synced down so he's not gaining anything from it. If anything it could be making him weaker since all effects from any materia slotted in the gear are negated when gear is synced down. The final poetics gear of the expansion will generally have better stats than the gear found in the first 2 leveling duties of the following expansion so basically it carries you though the first half of the expansions initial MSQ.

If anything IMO I think they need to strip the stats off the gear with actual level requirements and drop them to lv 1 so the PvP vendors are selling glamour and cosmetics exclusively.

Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

By the time he is able to access lv 60 alliance raids he will have access to lv 60 poetics gear. The alliance raids of a given expansion aren't accessible until you complete the initial MSQ of that expansion.

Him using lv 60 gear for duties below 60 result in it being synced down so he's not gaining anything from it. If anything it could be making him weaker since all effects from any materia slotted in the gear are negated when gear is synced down. The final poetics gear of the expansion will generally have better stats than the gear found in the first 2 leveling duties of the following expansion so basically it carries you though the first half of the expansions initial MSQ.

If anything IMO I think they need to strip the stats off the gear with actual level requirements and drop them to lv 1 so the PvP vendors are selling glamour and cosmetics exclusively.

You fail to understand the actual alliance roulette ilv issue. It heavily correlates to your current job level, not your msq progression. You have a lot of players who easily get overleveled that isnt correlated to the msq's level. Like the example above I pointed out, my friend is at Lv.60 before finishing ARR; which will lock him out from doing alliance roulettes because the game will expect him to have ilv gear that goes with Lv.60 or above. Thankfully the PvP Beastlord and Twelve Sets are lv.60 which will allow him to run that roulette. This level discrepency is only going to get worse afterwards because he enjoys doing roulettes for leveling and he'll most likely be around 70-ish or so before they step foot into Heavensward. And this scenario isnt uncommon as you can tell from the other thread about the current issue with the Alliance Roulette change.

Even then, this is all just to add in more rewards into a system anyway. I would also like if they included some new leveling sets via Grand Company Seals. I just dont like the idea of the devs stop giving more ways of upgrading your character besides tomestones, raids and crafting. It'd be neat if you can get some gear rewards from doing PvP or Fates or even Tribal Quests. The lv.1 Glams wont matter much to many of us whom already have our characters maxed out anyway so I dont understand why some people are getting defensive about me asking for stat gear in this content, its not even as if I'm asking them to stop making lv.1 glam sets either.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You fail to understand the actual alliance roulette ilv issue. It heavily correlates to your current job level, not your msq progression. You have a lot of players who easily get overleveled that isnt correlated to the msq's level. Like the example above I pointed out, my friend is at Lv.60 before finishing ARR; which will lock him out from doing alliance roulettes because the game will expect him to have ilv gear that goes with Lv.60 or above. Thankfully the PvP Beastlord and Twelve Sets are lv.60 which will allow him to run that roulette. This level discrepency is only going to get worse afterwards because he enjoys doing roulettes for leveling and he'll most likely be around 70-ish or so before they step foot into Heavensward. And this scenario isnt uncommon as you can tell from the other thread about the current issue with the Alliance Roulette change.

Even then, this is all just to add in more rewards into a system anyway. I would also like if they included some new leveling sets via Grand Company Seals. I just dont like the idea of the devs stop giving more ways of upgrading your character besides tomestones, raids and crafting. It'd be neat if you can get some gear rewards from doing PvP or Fates or even Tribal Quests. The lv.1 Glams wont matter much to many of us whom already have our characters maxed out anyway so I dont understand why some people are getting defensive about me asking for stat gear in this content, its not even as if I'm asking them to stop making lv.1 glam sets either.

And why does he need to spam Alliance roulette when he needs neither the exp nor the gear for progression purposes? I'd recommend they progress and complete content before trying to farm glamour plates. There's also the market board to resolve this issue unless they're sitting on the free trial. If they're on a retail copy they should have at least 1-2 million gil by now.

Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

And why does he need to spam Alliance roulette when he needs neither the exp nor the gear for progression purposes? I'd recommend they progress and complete content before trying to farm glamour plates. There's also the market board to resolve this issue unless they're sitting on the free trial. If they're on a retail copy they should have at least 1-2 million gil by now.

You seem to have some weird personal issue for going against adding more rewards to already existing systems.

Why?