Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Stormpeaks]

no i understood that what i am saying is the grind has to be something original and not something tacked onto content like it always has been. it's been artificial the whole time. all they do is take a piece of content and throw a item you need for the weapon in it.

it's like the idea that varient dungeons would be better if they put a item needed for the relic in it. the content wouldn't change or be different in any way and the relic wouldn't gain anything from it. the grind would then exist but it would be fake and artificial. (this is only an example)

it's been artificial the whole time. all they do is take a piece of content and throw a item you need for the weapon in it.

Are you saying doing content in the game actually gets you... rewards ?

Who would have thought ?

[DragonFlyy]

As a survivor of Barrens Chat way back in Vanilla, this made me laugh.

WoW was toxic to begin with considering it was mainly populated by "B-Net brats".

[Zairava]

no i understood that what i am saying is the grind has to be something original and not something tacked onto content like it always has been. it's been artificial the whole time. all they do is take a piece of content and throw a item you need for the weapon in it.

it's like the idea that varient dungeons would be better if they put a item needed for the relic in it. the content wouldn't change or be different in any way and the relic wouldn't gain anything from it. the grind would then exist but it would be fake and artificial. (this is only an example)

I think we just have different ideas on what's artificial.

Artificial in my eyes here is that the grind has no relevance to the relic, you aren't getting anything from it. If the grind actually does progress the relic then it isn't fake, it's quite literally there. The relic being tied to variant dungeons would by default increase the completion rates of variant because it would be needed to progress it. There isn't anything artificial or fake there, it's literally A grind.

That being said...how are you going to make it NOT tacked onto content that isn't just tomes, which, mind, you need to run content for? It worked for eureka and bozja because it makes natural progression, as you're playing through the content and can work on your relic while you are playing through it to begin with. There's nothing inherently bad about that unless you don't like said content, to which I'm going to repeat what is endlessly repeated, just don't run it? That's why I advocate for multiple paths. I agree that it should be accessible to people, I don't agree that it should come at the cost of removing content that a lot of people liked.

[Musashidon]

The relic being tied to variant dungeons would by default increase the completion rates of variant because it would be needed to progress it. There isn't anything artificial or fake there, it's literally A grind.

it would be completely artificial cause it adds nothing to the content. saying you have to do this doesn't make not liked content better it just forces players to slough through it. if anything SE can make original content that adds grinds but doesn't just pretend to be content by saying just rerun this a bunch.

if i can just pretend to grind content anyways there is no difference besides someones perspective of the situation.

Are you saying doing content in the game actually gets you... rewards ?

Who would have thought ?

ah yes lets just put all future rewards behind old content instead of new orginal content add a requirement to run it a bunch and say it's all swell.

[Zairava]

it would be completely artificial cause it adds nothing to the content. saying you have to do this doesn't make not liked content better it just forces players to slough through it.

Eureka and Bozja was well liked and enjoyable, it not being for everybody does not refute this absolute truth no matter how hard you plead otherwise. (Eureka was a bit mixed back in the day but people have since come around)

if anything SE can make original content that adds grinds but doesn't just pretend to be content by saying just rerun this a bunch.

if i can just pretend to grind content anyways there is no difference besides someones perspective of the situation.

You...would still need to run the content repeatedly...if it's grindable content, which by your logic is artificial, with the only difference being that it's a new form of content they haven't tried yet. You're defeating your own argument.

ah yes lets just put all future rewards behind old content instead of new orginal content add a requirement to run it a bunch and say it's all swell.

Literally no one here is asking for them to put Dawntrail (and beyond) relics directly into eureka and bozja, we're asking for a new field zone

Also, I think it should be current expansion content being needed for the relic to begin with, even without field zones in the picture. We shouldn't be relying on old expansions to provide current expansion content longevity unless it's mixed in, not dominating it.

[Musashidon]

Eureka and Bozja was well liked and enjoyable, it not being for everybody does not refute this absolute truth no matter how hard you plead otherwise. (Eureka was a bit mixed back in the day but people have since come around)
You...would still need to run the content repeatedly...if it's grindable content, which by your logic is artificial, with the only difference being that it's a new form of content they haven't tried yet. You're defeating your own argument.

eureka and bozja has always been disliked and while i enjoy the content myself the relic added nothing at all to the content you can remove it and it would do nothing to the content at all. a new exploration zone can be added without the need of relics.

you seem stuck on the grind part i never said grinds are fake i said repeating old content and not adding content is fake and artificial. you can easily make content that is relic specific and not just content with relic thrown in it.

Literally no one here is asking for them to put Dawntrail (and beyond) relics directly into eureka and bozja, we're asking for a new field zone

Also, I think it should be current expansion content being needed for the relic to begin with, even without field zones in the picture. We shouldn't be relying on old expansions to provide current expansion content longevity unless it's mixed in, not dominating it.

i just want to say i was being exagerative because instead of addin anything they just want to shock post and say whatever instead of actively participating. also i wasn't talking about relics i was meaning all rewards from now on.


i agree we should be making content for the relic not making the relic for content. i believe if you need the relic to make the content liked or considered good the content wasn't that good to begin with.

[Zairava]

eureka and bozja has always been disliked and while i enjoy the content myself the relic added nothing at all to the content you can remove it and it would do nothing to the content at all. a new exploration zone can be added without the need of relics.

you seem stuck on the grind part i never said grinds are fake i said repeating old content and not adding content is fake and artificial. you can easily make content that is relic specific and not just content with relic thrown in it.

Man I could go on and on but literally every single piece of content will have people who dislike it. That literally can not be disputed. The content is liked it really is not so one-sided as you are making it out to be.

I agree that exploration zone's don't need relics tied to it but I'm not here saying it has to be the only avenue of acquiring them either.

Why does it have to be relic specific content? It doesn't have to be. Having the relic in field zones on top of the other rewards it can give you is part of what makes it so long-lasting.

Like, I'm not against relic specific content completely, but it's much easier on dev time to put it in content where it fits and can be acquired like field zones or the open world and current content like with ARR and HW relics.

[VerdeLuck]

What a take

Yes technically you can make yourself a goal of doing HoH 1000 times and then start using your relic

the question is : Why ?

The grind should be in the game, not made up by the players.

If we go down that road, why even have any content at all ? After all you can make goals for yourself right ?

For example, if I run from Uldah to Northern Thanalaan, I would get an ultimate weapon.

It's all about choice right ? So can I just race there and get an ultimate weapon ? Thank you, I will be awaiting my ultimate weapon in my letterbox.

That's not even close to what I'm saying, I set my own goals in the game. I run MINE content, I use special gear combos to run content on old levels of power. The challenge is fun.
I run content blind because it's fun. I don't ask for the game to box me into something to grind, I take what exists in the game and make it my goal.

If you need the devs to lock relics behind fate grinds because you want to run 100 fates but won't do it unless it's the only way or the easiest way to earn it, that's weird. If you want to do old content but need the devs to give you an exclusive reward for doing old content, that's weird. If you need the devs to not offer alternate ways to earn relics because you have no self control and will run the shortest path through the grind every time even if you hate it that's weird.
These forums are one of the few places I've seen people complain about too many options to unlock content. You can do literally whatever you want and in that field of choices, you choose the fastest, easiest way and then get mad at Square Enix for allowing you to do that to yourself and for making it too easy.

It's like someone booting up dark souls, grabbing the most broken tools imaginable, and then being mad at the developers for not forcing them to run it with a more difficult to use build. You chose this out of a wide variety of options. It's not up to the developers to put up kiddie rails to keep you from chasing the fastest path to the end and then being mad at yourself when it's too easy. Everything at level 90 gives tomes, pick the thing you like and do that to have fun, and progress your relic.

[Stormpeaks]

That's not even close to what I'm saying, I set my own goals in the game. I run MINE content, I use special gear combos to run content on old levels of power. The challenge is fun.
I run content blind because it's fun. I don't ask for the game to box me into something to grind, I take what exists in the game and make it my goal.

If you need the devs to lock relics behind fate grinds because you want to run 100 fates but won't do it unless it's the only way or the easiest way to earn it, that's weird. If you want to do old content but need the devs to give you an exclusive reward for doing old content, that's weird. If you need the devs to not offer alternate ways to earn relics because you have no self control and will run the shortest path through the grind every time even if you hate it that's weird.
These forums are one of the few places I've seen people complain about too many options to unlock content. You can do literally whatever you want and in that field of choices, you choose the fastest, easiest way and then get mad at Square Enix for allowing you to do that to yourself and for making it too easy.

It's like someone booting up dark souls, grabbing the most broken tools imaginable, and then being mad at the developers for not forcing them to run it with a more difficult to use build. You chose this out of a wide variety of options. It's not up to the developers to put up kiddie rails to keep you from chasing the fastest path to the end and then being mad at yourself when it's too easy. Everything at level 90 gives tomes, pick the thing you like and do that to have fun, and progress your relic.

You are literally telling people they should make it difficult on themselves or grind for it for... no reason at all

That's like getting savage gear and telling yourself "I am not using it until I've done savage 10 times" Just why ?

it's absolutely ridiculous lol, stop.

[VerdeLuck]

You are literally telling people they should make it difficult on themselves or grind for it for... no reason at all

That's like getting savage gear and telling yourself "I am not using it until I've done savage 10 times" Just why ?

it's absolutely ridiculous lol, stop.

Not immediately chasing the shortest path through all content when given a choice is akin to not using gear you already have?
This is absolutely ridiculous, you seriously can't be this bad reading that this is what you took away from my post right?