Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Atelier-Bagur]

Why are people trying to argue that the relic quest grind was bad? I never heard anyone argue this until they became instant gratification. I did Bozja and Eureka in 2022 and they were thriving. The story that they didn't have a base is a lie. And relics just became equivalent to buying off the MB.

Why don't we make Ultimate weapons available for comedy tomes? Hmm? After all no one wants to grind them.

Where have you been? Theres always talk about certain glrinds being bad heck some of the base ARR steps like the book part have been memed and hated for its awfulness.

And some of the one time steps with the Resistance Relics are also been discussed how atrocius it is. Its just that they went too far into the other spectrum where people have an issur with EW relics

[Turtledeluxe]

Where have you been? Theres always talk about certain glrinds being bad heck some of the base ARR steps like the book part have been memed and hated for its awfulness.

And some of the one time steps with the Resistance Relics are also been discussed how atrocius it is. Its just that they went too far into the other spectrum where people have an issur with EW relics

My point is why does their whining, even if it happened, only affect this grind while we still have others??? The devs were just too busy or lazy and they didn't make an exploratory zone. We all know this. DawnTrail is going to have an exploratory zone. The grind will likely return. Trying to frame it like the original concept of relics was toxic or had some kind of downside is a waste when various elements of the game (island sanctuary, gold saucer, triple triad, gathering, crafting, PvP, savage, extremes, Ultimates) also have their own unique grind and currency that drive different modes of participation and play. Why not just tomeify everything?? People are arguing to argue.

[Ravenblade1979]

I understand the desire to meet a challenge.

What I don't understand is the thinking that the challenge is only valid if it is set by someone else instead of setting it yourself.

When it comes to relics. The player doesn't have a choice. It's set before them by the dev team. Alot (myself included) were highly disappointed by manderville steps.

Don't get me wrong, love me hildi storyline but what I can't stand is how simple the steps are otherwise.

I do get your point though..I really do and there's lots of challenges in the game if you just look but the challenge the old relics set to the player made you feel like you accomplished something.

Now it's...ok i can lazily get 1500 causality a step..no need to put effort in. No feeling like you accomplished anything.

I personally didn't like eureka or bozja at all but I still feel like I accomplished something every step of the way