Very minor sage idea

[ForsakenRoe]

I'm saying if they went full on with it (which would be fun and daring), SGE potentially could screw itself by not saving up for the phase, whereas other healers continue to build those resources because Aetherflow, Lilies and, uhm, generic cooldowns, are all based on time. The same timeline they devise the encounter around.

As long as the healer (SGE in this case) has access to a basic kit of 'this loses you damage badly, but it's there if it's needed' heals, this should not be as big a concern. For example, you can make optimal healing play for SGE absolutely overcomplicated as hell, because it's still got Diagnosis and Prognosis to fall back on. Doubly so if they're made zero MP cost

Other healers can absolutely get screwed by not saving up for a phase. Harrowing Hell sees me holding onto as much stuff as I can in the mechanics leading up to it, up to the point where I'll be using real GCDs instead of Lilies if need be, to make sure that I can keep Plenary Temperance and Lilybell for the actual mechanic. Same with SGE and it's kit, I'll hold stuff on purpose if I know something big is coming. Also, dying loses those saved resources, and SGE is actually the second least punished by this (behind AST, who's 'resources' are just plain CDs). Because SGE loses it's Addersgall, but the timer continues to tick and re-grant Addersgall while dead. WHM loses it's Lilies, and the timer pauses (because you're technically not in combat while dead), and SCH, poor SCH, gets the absolute worst of it. You lose your Aetherflow, your Fairy Gauge, your Fairy (requiring a GCD to resummon), AND you get the 25% weakness + lost MP like every other healer. They ought to make the Weakness/Brink a flat 25% damage down, so we don't have situations where 'oh sorry my shield was not strong enough because of Weakness debuff so now we wipe'. They addressed the same issue (kind of) when they changed it so your Max HP wasn't impacted by Weakness, IDK why this got left alone

This is what I had in mind for Sage...

That site really needs a darkmode (or if it has one, to make it more obvious how to activate it)

[ty_taurus]

That site really needs a darkmode (or if it has one, to make it more obvious how to activate it)

There is no dark mode apparently, but I made you one.

[Post]

Yeah, I know. I even said you can just save your resources later down that same post you quoted.

I'm not saying these things because I think SE has a GOOD reason for designing SGE the way it is, just as to why they probably DIDN'T do what Sarge said in the OP.

It would take some courage for them to do it and would require more effort if it didn't work perfectly and SGE got screwed, so they didn't. That's all I'm saying.

I actually miss weakness only being 15 - 30% but also affecting HP. Made keeping players that died up more of a challenge and feel more rewarding; also made enrages less of a pain in the butt to meet if players died.

[ty_taurus]

This is what I had in mind for Sage...

[ForsakenRoe]

appreciated

[SerophisRagnarok]

please dont make any of these bad ideas public... I like my sage how it is...

[Supersnow845]

please dont make any of these bad ideas public... I like my sage how it is...

Well considering the brand new healer that was supposed to make everyone happy has already fallen to 3rd out of 4 and it’s only beating out the trash fire that is Astro not many people seem to agree

[Renathras]

Well considering the brand new healer that was supposed to make everyone happy has already fallen to 3rd out of 4 and it’s only beating out the trash fire that is Astro not many people seem to agree

Under...what metric?

Lucky Bancho numbers have it firmly in the #2 spot in most regions, and in abacus stats on Thalia (as always, I use 24 mans to get a more general view of the playerbase), SGE is also consistently the #2 healer behind WHM in terms of use.

I haven't seen it in 3rd place in any general playerbase metric, and half the time high end parties drop a healer, they drop WHM for AST or go SCH/SGE or AST/SCH (abandoning WHM as well) for fully optimized speed runs. I don't think SGE being 3rd is accurate under most any metric...

[IceBlueNinja]

Under...what metric?

Lucky Bancho numbers have it firmly in the #2 spot in most regions, and in abacus stats on Thalia (as always, I use 24 mans to get a more general view of the playerbase), SGE is also consistently the #2 healer behind WHM in terms of use.

I haven't seen it in 3rd place in any general playerbase metric, and half the time high end parties drop a healer, they drop WHM for AST or go SCH/SGE or AST/SCH (abandoning WHM as well) for fully optimized speed runs. I don't think SGE being 3rd is accurate under most any metric...

He hates sage man he always will put it down even with inaccurate data, for on my server of aether 95% of the time I see whm/sge the most and very lil to no ast and schs. whm/sage seem more common on aether.

[Supersnow845]

He hates sage man he always will put it down even with inaccurate data, for on my server of aether 95% of the time I see whm/sge the most and very lil to no ast and schs. whm/sage seem more common on aether.

Ice blue ninja rises from the depths of the forums to tell people they can’t dislike SGE, do you just scour the forums say in day out looking for people who oppose SGE and then just call them out for it, news flash people don’t have to like SGE, also anecdotes aren’t evidence

As for the question of the person you replied to, SGE is firmly 3rd in JP useage for the last tiers in both savage and ultimate, JP savage is what the classes are balanced around and what square bases their design on, so the new class that functionally copied SCH can’t even beat SCH the tiers it was launched in, it’s second in NA and EU, regardless it’s not really much of an achievement, especially because even in EU and NA it’s not even close to WHM